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The 4 types of tech workers in 2026

2026/07/141:25

#technology #ai #claude #chatgpt

Why the tech workforce is quietly splitting in two | Annual AI sentiment survey (Noam Segal)

2026/07/121:36:29

Noam Segal is a longtime research leader across Airbnb, Meta, Twitter, Zapier, Intercom, and Figma, a certified coach, AI builder, and my community research lead. Together, we run the annual Tech Worker Sentiment Survey, now in its second year and one of the largest of its kind: a quantitative study of how people in tech actually feel about their jobs, AI, burnout, and the future of their careers. This year’s survey captured responses from thousands of workers across product, engineering, design, research, marketing, data, and sales, and the results are striking. *In our in-depth conversation, we discuss:* 1. Why AI has split the tech workforce almost exactly in half—one half that’s thriving, another that’s shaken 2. The four emotional archetypes defining tech workers right now (the Energized, the Conflicted, the Disoriented, and the Resentful) 3. Why burnout has jumped an alarming 11 points in a single year 4. Why nobody in tech would recommend their job to someone entering the industry today 5. The #1 fear in tech right now (it’s not job loss to AI) 6. Why managers are the single biggest lever for employee well-being 7. Concrete advice for what employees and leaders can do right now *Brought to you by:* WorkOS—Make your app enterprise-ready, with SSO, SCIM, RBAC, and more: https://workos.com/lenny Mercury—Radically different banking, now with Command: https://mercury.com/ *Episode transcript:* https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/how-tech-workers-actually-feel-about *Archive of all Lenny's Podcast transcripts:* https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/yxi4s2w998p1gvtpu4193/AMdNPR8AOw0lMklwtnC0TrQ?rlkey=j06x0nipoti519e0xgm23zsn9&st=ahz0fj11&dl=0 *Where to find Noam Segal:* • X: https://x.com/noamseg • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/noamsegal *Where to find Lenny:* • Newsletter: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com • X: https://twitter.com/lennysan • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/ *In this episode, we cover:* (00:00) Introduction to Noam Segal (02:34) About the survey: methodology and scope (06:04) The core finding: AI has split the tech workforce in half (13:03) The AI identity stance (14:40) The four archetypes: Energized, Conflicted, Disoriented, Resentful (19:35) Burnout is surging (and why shipping faster is making it worse) (22:53) A glimmer of hope (24:55) Layoff worries (29:15) The career recommendation NPS score (36:45) The ladder metaphor: rungs disappearing beneath our feet (45:14) AI is making us faster, not better (52:53) The #1 fear: being squeezed to do more for the same pay (55:55) The emotional landscape and “smiling exhaustion” (01:01:02) Designers and researchers: the most negative group two years running (01:06:27) Who’s happiest (01:12:18) Managers: the single biggest lever on well-being (01:18:47) The industry is “chaotic” (01:24:53) What employees and leaders can do right now (01:31:32) AI guilt and closing thoughts *Referenced:* • How tech workers are feeling in 2026: a workforce splitting in two: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/how-tech-workers-are-feeling-in-2026 • How tech’s most resilient workers handle burnout: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/how-techs-most-resilient-workers • Please stop the AI Confidence Theater: https://www.elenaverna.com/p/please-stop-the-ai-confidence-theater • Velocity over everything: How Ramp became the fastest-growing SaaS startup of all time | Geoff Charles (VP of Product): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/velocity-over-everything-how-ramp • NPS Is The Worst: https://www.npsistheworst.com • The Terminator: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088247 • Skynet: https://terminator.fandom.com/wiki/Skynet • Inside Devin: The world’s first autonomous AI engineer that’s set to write 50% of its company’s code by end of year | Scott Wu (CEO and co-founder of Cognition): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/inside-devin-scott-wu • Devin: https://devin.ai • An AI state of the union: We’ve passed the inflection point, dark factories are coming, and automation timelines | Simon Willison: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/an-ai-state-of-the-union • Redeploying Fable 5: https://www.anthropic.com/news/redeploying-fable-5 • Why half of product managers are in trouble | Nikhyl Singhal (Meta, Google): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/why-half-of-product-managers-are-in-trouble • Inside Linear: Building with taste, craft, and focus | Karri Saarinen (co-founder, designer, CEO): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/inside-linear-building-with-taste • Building beautiful products with Stripe’s Head of Design | Katie Dill (Stripe, Airbnb, Lyft): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/building-beautiful-products-with ...References continued at: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/how-tech-workers-actually-feel-about _Production and marketing by https://penname.co/._ _For inquiries about sponsoring the podcast, email podcast@lennyrachitsky.com._ Lenny may be an investor in the companies discussed.

2026/07/121:36:29

Noam Segal is a longtime research leader across Airbnb, Meta, Twitter, Zapier, Intercom, and Figma, a certified coach, AI builder, and my community research lead. Together, we run the annual Tech Worker Sentiment Survey, now in its second year and one of the largest of its kind: a quantitative study of how people in tech actually feel about their jobs, AI, burnout, and the future of their careers. This year’s survey captured responses from thousands of workers across product, engineering, design, research, marketing, data, and sales, and the results are striking. *In our in-depth conversation, we discuss:* 1. Why AI has split the tech workforce almost exactly in half—one half that’s thriving, another that’s shaken 2. The four emotional archetypes defining tech workers right now (the Energized, the Conflicted, the Disoriented, and the Resentful) 3. Why burnout has jumped an alarming 11 points in a single year 4. Why nobody in tech would recommend their job to someone entering the industry today 5. The #1 fear in tech right now (it’s not job loss to AI) 6. Why managers are the single biggest lever for employee well-being 7. Concrete advice for what employees and leaders can do right now *Brought to you by:* WorkOS—Make your app enterprise-ready, with SSO, SCIM, RBAC, and more: https://workos.com/lenny Mercury—Radically different banking, now with Command: https://mercury.com/ *Episode transcript:* https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/how-tech-workers-actually-feel-about *Archive of all Lenny's Podcast transcripts:* https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/yxi4s2w998p1gvtpu4193/AMdNPR8AOw0lMklwtnC0TrQ?rlkey=j06x0nipoti519e0xgm23zsn9&st=ahz0fj11&dl=0 *Where to find Noam Segal:* • X: https://x.com/noamseg • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/noamsegal *Where to find Lenny:* • Newsletter: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com • X: https://twitter.com/lennysan • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/ *In this episode, we cover:* (00:00) Introduction to Noam Segal (02:34) About the survey: methodology and scope (06:04) The core finding: AI has split the tech workforce in half (13:03) The AI identity stance (14:40) The four archetypes: Energized, Conflicted, Disoriented, Resentful (19:35) Burnout is surging (and why shipping faster is making it worse) (22:53) A glimmer of hope (24:55) Layoff worries (29:15) The career recommendation NPS score (36:45) The ladder metaphor: rungs disappearing beneath our feet (45:14) AI is making us faster, not better (52:53) The #1 fear: being squeezed to do more for the same pay (55:55) The emotional landscape and “smiling exhaustion” (01:01:02) Designers and researchers: the most negative group two years running (01:06:27) Who’s happiest (01:12:18) Managers: the single biggest lever on well-being (01:18:47) The industry is “chaotic” (01:24:53) What employees and leaders can do right now (01:31:32) AI guilt and closing thoughts *Referenced:* • How tech workers are feeling in 2026: a workforce splitting in two: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/how-tech-workers-are-feeling-in-2026 • How tech’s most resilient workers handle burnout: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/how-techs-most-resilient-workers • Please stop the AI Confidence Theater: https://www.elenaverna.com/p/please-stop-the-ai-confidence-theater • Velocity over everything: How Ramp became the fastest-growing SaaS startup of all time | Geoff Charles (VP of Product): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/velocity-over-everything-how-ramp • NPS Is The Worst: https://www.npsistheworst.com • The Terminator: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088247 • Skynet: https://terminator.fandom.com/wiki/Skynet • Inside Devin: The world’s first autonomous AI engineer that’s set to write 50% of its company’s code by end of year | Scott Wu (CEO and co-founder of Cognition): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/inside-devin-scott-wu • Devin: https://devin.ai • An AI state of the union: We’ve passed the inflection point, dark factories are coming, and automation timelines | Simon Willison: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/an-ai-state-of-the-union • Redeploying Fable 5: https://www.anthropic.com/news/redeploying-fable-5 • Why half of product managers are in trouble | Nikhyl Singhal (Meta, Google): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/why-half-of-product-managers-are-in-trouble • Inside Linear: Building with taste, craft, and focus | Karri Saarinen (co-founder, designer, CEO): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/inside-linear-building-with-taste • Building beautiful products with Stripe’s Head of Design | Katie Dill (Stripe, Airbnb, Lyft): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/building-beautiful-products-with ...References continued at: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/how-tech-workers-actually-feel-about _Production and marketing by https://penname.co/._ _For inquiries about sponsoring the podcast, email podcast@lennyrachitsky.com._ Lenny may be an investor in the companies discussed.

The head of Instagram on why AI content is a tailwind, not a headwind.

2026/07/120:47

The head of Instagram on why AI content is a tailwind, not a headwind.

The best product leaders aren't the ones with the most ideas.

2026/07/110:37

The best product leaders aren't the ones with the most ideas.

Don't worship AI tools

2026/07/110:38

The people who will get the most out of this moment are the ones who are clear-eyed about what AI is actually good at

The shape of product teams in 2026

2026/07/100:54

#product #ai #instagram #meta

AI content will help Instagram

2026/07/090:58

#instagram #ai #artificialintelligence #content

The rise of taste, human authenticity and judgment in an AI world | Adam Mosseri (Head of IG)

2026/07/091:08:29

Adam Mosseri is the Head of Instagram, where he oversees an app used by over 3 billion people. He also leads the team building Threads. Adam has run Instagram for longer than its founders did, after taking over from Kevin Systrom and Mike Krieger in 2018. A designer by training, he spent over 15 years at Meta, starting as a designer on Facebook’s mobile app, rising to lead Facebook’s News Feed, and eventually chosen to lead Instagram. During his tenure, Instagram’s user base has more than tripled. *In our in-depth conversation, we discuss:* 1. How the canonical product team structure is changing in 2026, from baker’s-dozen specialist teams to lean pods of four to six generalists 2. The rise of the “product staff” role—a blending of PM, design, data science, and research into one generalist operator 3. Why Adam is bullish on designers even as functional boundaries dissolve, and which roles are most at risk 4. What the Instagram algorithm knows about you, and why it’s only now catching up to what people assumed it knew years ago 5. Why the rise of AI-generated content is a tailwind for Instagram, and how the company is thinking about creator identity in a synthetic-content world 6. The two biggest product failures of Adam’s career—Facebook Home and the first version of Reels *Brought to you by:* WorkOS—Make your app enterprise-ready, with SSO, SCIM, RBAC, and more: https://workos.com/lenny Mercury—Radically different banking, now with Command: https://mercury.com/ *Episode transcript:* https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/adam-mosseri-ai-is-a-tailwind-for *Archive of all Lenny's Podcast transcripts:* https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/yxi4s2w998p1gvtpu4193/AMdNPR8AOw0lMklwtnC0TrQ?rlkey=j06x0nipoti519e0xgm23zsn9&st=ahz0fj11&dl=0 *Where to find Adam Mosseri:* • X: https://x.com/mosseri • LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/in/mosseri • Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mosseri • Threads: https://www.threads.com/@mosseri *Where to find Lenny:* • Newsletter: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com • X: https://twitter.com/lennysan • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/ *In this episode, we cover:* (00:00) Introduction to Adam Mosseri (02:09) How product teams are changing inside Meta (05:48) Blurring roles and career anxiety (14:01) Hiring traits that matter now (16:48) How AI is resetting who succeeds at work (19:38) How Meta thinks about token spend and AI costs (23:23) Where human judgment still matters (25:56) Why AI is not automatically great at strategy (30:36) Why great product leaders are curators (34:23) What Instagram’s algorithm actually knows about you (38:08) Why chronological feeds often disappoint users (40:56) Why AI content may be a tailwind for Instagram (43:42) The future of AI and human content in the feed (48:00) What Adam admires about other social platforms (52:05) How he handles public criticism (56:31) Lessons from the Instagram feed redesign backlash (01:00:21) Adam’s biggest failure: Instagram on iPad (01:03:03) His approach to kids, screens, and social media (01:06:56) What Adam wants listeners to remember *Referenced:* • What happens after coding is solved? | Fiona Fung (Manager of the Claude Code and Cowork Teams): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/building-the-most-ai-pilled-engineering • Claude Code: https://www.anthropic.com/product/claude-code • Claude Cowork: https://www.anthropic.com/product/claude-cowork • Head of Claude Code: What happens after coding is solved | Boris Cherny: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/head-of-claude-code-what-happens • A rational conversation on where AI is actually going | Benedict Evans: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/a-rational-conversation-on-where • OpenAI’s CPO on how AI changes must-have skills, moats, coding, startup playbooks, more | Kevin Weil (CPO at OpenAI, ex-Instagram, Twitter): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/kevin-weil-open-ai • Mythos: https://www.anthropic.com/claude/mythos • Fable: https://www.anthropic.com/claude/fable • Pluralistic: The Reverse-Centaur’s Guide to Criticizing AI: https://pluralistic.net/2025/12/05/pop-that-bubble • Plastic Dream Sequence on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/plasticdreamsequence • TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com • Facebook–Cambridge Analytica data scandal: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook%E2%80%93Cambridge_Analytica_data_scandal • Facebook Home: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook_Home _Production and marketing by https://penname.co/._ _For inquiries about sponsoring the podcast, email podcast@lennyrachitsky.com._ Lenny may be an investor in the companies discussed.

2026/07/091:08:29

Adam Mosseri is the Head of Instagram, where he oversees an app used by over 3 billion people. He also leads the team building Threads. Adam has run Instagram for longer than its founders did, after taking over from Kevin Systrom and Mike Krieger in 2018. A designer by training, he spent over 15 years at Meta, starting as a designer on Facebook’s mobile app, rising to lead Facebook’s News Feed, and eventually chosen to lead Instagram. During his tenure, Instagram’s user base has more than tripled. *In our in-depth conversation, we discuss:* 1. How the canonical product team structure is changing in 2026, from baker’s-dozen specialist teams to lean pods of four to six generalists 2. The rise of the “product staff” role—a blending of PM, design, data science, and research into one generalist operator 3. Why Adam is bullish on designers even as functional boundaries dissolve, and which roles are most at risk 4. What the Instagram algorithm knows about you, and why it’s only now catching up to what people assumed it knew years ago 5. Why the rise of AI-generated content is a tailwind for Instagram, and how the company is thinking about creator identity in a synthetic-content world 6. The two biggest product failures of Adam’s career—Facebook Home and the first version of Reels *Brought to you by:* WorkOS—Make your app enterprise-ready, with SSO, SCIM, RBAC, and more: https://workos.com/lenny Mercury—Radically different banking, now with Command: https://mercury.com/ *Episode transcript:* https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/adam-mosseri-ai-is-a-tailwind-for *Archive of all Lenny's Podcast transcripts:* https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/yxi4s2w998p1gvtpu4193/AMdNPR8AOw0lMklwtnC0TrQ?rlkey=j06x0nipoti519e0xgm23zsn9&st=ahz0fj11&dl=0 *Where to find Adam Mosseri:* • X: https://x.com/mosseri • LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/in/mosseri • Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mosseri • Threads: https://www.threads.com/@mosseri *Where to find Lenny:* • Newsletter: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com • X: https://twitter.com/lennysan • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/ *In this episode, we cover:* (00:00) Introduction to Adam Mosseri (02:09) How product teams are changing inside Meta (05:48) Blurring roles and career anxiety (14:01) Hiring traits that matter now (16:48) How AI is resetting who succeeds at work (19:38) How Meta thinks about token spend and AI costs (23:23) Where human judgment still matters (25:56) Why AI is not automatically great at strategy (30:36) Why great product leaders are curators (34:23) What Instagram’s algorithm actually knows about you (38:08) Why chronological feeds often disappoint users (40:56) Why AI content may be a tailwind for Instagram (43:42) The future of AI and human content in the feed (48:00) What Adam admires about other social platforms (52:05) How he handles public criticism (56:31) Lessons from the Instagram feed redesign backlash (01:00:21) Adam’s biggest failure: Instagram on iPad (01:03:03) His approach to kids, screens, and social media (01:06:56) What Adam wants listeners to remember *Referenced:* • What happens after coding is solved? | Fiona Fung (Manager of the Claude Code and Cowork Teams): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/building-the-most-ai-pilled-engineering • Claude Code: https://www.anthropic.com/product/claude-code • Claude Cowork: https://www.anthropic.com/product/claude-cowork • Head of Claude Code: What happens after coding is solved | Boris Cherny: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/head-of-claude-code-what-happens • A rational conversation on where AI is actually going | Benedict Evans: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/a-rational-conversation-on-where • OpenAI’s CPO on how AI changes must-have skills, moats, coding, startup playbooks, more | Kevin Weil (CPO at OpenAI, ex-Instagram, Twitter): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/kevin-weil-open-ai • Mythos: https://www.anthropic.com/claude/mythos • Fable: https://www.anthropic.com/claude/fable • Pluralistic: The Reverse-Centaur’s Guide to Criticizing AI: https://pluralistic.net/2025/12/05/pop-that-bubble • Plastic Dream Sequence on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/plasticdreamsequence • TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com • Facebook–Cambridge Analytica data scandal: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook%E2%80%93Cambridge_Analytica_data_scandal • Facebook Home: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook_Home _Production and marketing by https://penname.co/._ _For inquiries about sponsoring the podcast, email podcast@lennyrachitsky.com._ Lenny may be an investor in the companies discussed.

How Codex learnt to edit videos

2026/07/050:42

#codex #chatgpt #openai #ai

Why product roles need to stay

2026/07/030:49

#product #pm #ai #chatgpt

Why is AI so bad at design?

2026/07/020:55

#ai #design #chatgpt #claudecode

Codex App would’ve failed if released in November 2025. Here’s why;

2026/07/020:45

Taste is more than aesthetics

2026/07/010:34

#taste #ai #product #chatgpt

PRDs are not dead

2026/06/301:01

#ai #product #prototype #chatgpt

如今重要的是，懂得要构建什么。

2026/06/290:48

OpenAI Codex负责人谈产品工作的新形态安德鲁·安布罗西诺

2026/06/281:13:42

安德鲁·安布罗西诺在OpenAI负责Codex桌面应用的开发。如今，OpenAI几乎100%的员工——不仅仅是工程师——每周都在使用Codex。作为一名终身创造者，他拥有工程、设计、产品管理以及创业公司的背景，现在他负责将Codex桌面体验打造成他所说的“有史以来最好的桌面应用，没有之一”。 *在这次深度对话中，我们讨论了：* 1. 为什么AI彻底颠覆了产品开发流程 2. 作为一项专业技能，“品味”的真正含义是什么，以及为什么它正成为AI优先工作场所中最有价值的能力 3. 为什么安德鲁认为如果他们在去年11月（而不是今年2月）发布Codex应用，它可能会失败 4. OpenAI产品经理在“人人皆可构建”环境下的“区域防守”工作模式 5. 安德鲁团队如何合并角色，以及为什么完全消除角色概念是一个大错误 6. 安德鲁如何使用Codex来运行自己的工作流程 7. 一个能够协调ChatGPT、Codex以及人们已使用工具的“大本营”愿景 *本集由以下赞助商支持：* WorkOS——通过SSO、SCIM、RBAC等功能，让您的应用达到企业级标准：https://workos.com/lenny Mercury——颠覆性的银行业务，现已推出Command功能：https://mercury.com/ *节目文字稿：* https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/openai-codex-lead-on-the-new-shape *Lenny播客所有文字稿存档：* https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/yxi4s2w998p1gvtpu4193/AMdNPR8AOw0lMklwtnC0TrQ?rlkey=j06x0nipoti519e0xgm23zsn9&st=ahz0fj11&dl=0 *如何找到安德鲁·安布罗西诺：* • X：https://x.com/ajambrosino • LinkedIn：https://www.linkedin.com/in/ajambrosino • 网站：https://ambrosino.io *如何找到Lenny：* • 新闻通讯：https://www.lennysnewsletter.com • X：https://twitter.com/lennysan • LinkedIn：https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/ *本期节目涵盖内容：* (00:00) 安德鲁·安布罗西诺介绍 (02:30) AI如何改变产品工作的形态 (06:32) 何时使用文档 vs. 原型 (10:25) “品味”的真正含义 (12:06) 为什么AI在设计方面仍然表现不佳 (16:18) 设计流程真的消亡了吗？ (21:35) Codex团队的设计流程是怎样的 (23:41) 产品职能正在消失吗？ (27:22) 团队结构 (30:12) 个人贡献者 vs. 管理 (31:37) 规划路线图 (35:16) 构建尚未生效的功能 (38:13) 野心问题：当你过于沉迷AGI时 (39:17) 最新前沿：循环与自主开发 (52:05) 安德鲁如何使用Codex自动化整个工作 (46:52) 计算机使用与浏览器自动化的力量 (49:10) 我们会在Codex内运行所有SaaS应用吗？ (52:05) Codex的未来愿景 (57:20) 那位用Codex为Premiere Pro构建扩展的摄像师 (59:30) 失败角落 (1:01:50) 快问快答 (1:07:03) 幕后：我们的制作人如何使用Codex进行编辑 *参考资料：* • Codex：chatgpt.com/codex • 《原始印记：开端如何塑造创意发展的结局》：https://www.gsb.stanford.edu/faculty-research/publications/primal-mark-how-beginning-shapes-end-development-creative-ideas • Linear：https://linear.app • “品味”不仅仅是审美品味：https://x.com/thenanyu/status/2067327619897446721 • Linear打造备受喜爱的B2B产品的秘诀 | 南宇（产品负责人）：https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/linears-secret-to-building-beloved-b2b-products-nan-yu • 保罗·格雷厄姆的网站：https://paulgraham.com • 设计流程已死。这是取而代之的东西。| 珍妮·文（Claude设计负责人）：https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/the-design-process-is-dead • 案例研究工厂：https://essays.uxdesign.cc/case-study-factory • 为什么人类是AI最大的瓶颈（以及2026年将发生什么）| 亚历山大·恩比里科斯（OpenAI Codex产品负责人）：https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/why-humans-are-ais-biggest-bottleneck • OpenClaw：https://openclaw.ai • OpenClaw：构建、训练并与个人AI代理共存的完整指南：https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/openclaw-the-complete-guide-to-building • 从怀疑者到真正信徒：OpenClaw如何改变我的生活 | 克莱尔·沃：https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/how-openclaw-changed-my-life-claire-vo • 在你睡觉时工作的Codex功能：https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/the-codex-feature-that-works-while • AI悖论：更多自动化，更多人类，更多工作 | 丹·希珀：https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/the-ai-paradox-dan-shipper • Atlas：https://chatgpt.com/atlas • Anthropic：https://www.anthropic.com *推荐书籍：* • 《咕噜牛》：https://www.amazon.com/Gruffalo-Julia-Donaldson/dp/0803730470 • 《大橙色斑点》：https://www.amazon.com/Big-Orange-Splot-Manus-Pinkwater/dp/0590445103 _由 https://penname.co/ 制作和营销。_ _如需咨询赞助播客事宜，请发送邮件至 podcast@lennyrachitsky.com。_ Lenny可能是所讨论公司的投资者。

2026/06/281:13:42

安德鲁·安布罗西诺在OpenAI负责Codex桌面应用的开发。如今，OpenAI几乎100%的员工——不仅仅是工程师——每周都在使用Codex。作为一名终身创造者，他拥有工程、设计、产品管理以及创业公司的背景，现在他负责将Codex桌面体验打造成他所说的“有史以来最好的桌面应用，没有之一”。 *在这次深度对话中，我们讨论了：* 1. 为什么AI彻底颠覆了产品开发流程 2. 作为一项专业技能，“品味”的真正含义是什么，以及为什么它正成为AI优先工作场所中最有价值的能力 3. 为什么安德鲁认为如果他们在去年11月（而不是今年2月）发布Codex应用，它可能会失败 4. OpenAI产品经理在“人人皆可构建”环境下的“区域防守”工作模式 5. 安德鲁团队如何合并角色，以及为什么完全消除角色概念是一个大错误 6. 安德鲁如何使用Codex来运行自己的工作流程 7. 一个能够协调ChatGPT、Codex以及人们已使用工具的“大本营”愿景 *本集由以下赞助商支持：* WorkOS——通过SSO、SCIM、RBAC等功能，让您的应用达到企业级标准：https://workos.com/lenny Mercury——颠覆性的银行业务，现已推出Command功能：https://mercury.com/ *节目文字稿：* https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/openai-codex-lead-on-the-new-shape *Lenny播客所有文字稿存档：* https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/yxi4s2w998p1gvtpu4193/AMdNPR8AOw0lMklwtnC0TrQ?rlkey=j06x0nipoti519e0xgm23zsn9&st=ahz0fj11&dl=0 *如何找到安德鲁·安布罗西诺：* • X：https://x.com/ajambrosino • LinkedIn：https://www.linkedin.com/in/ajambrosino • 网站：https://ambrosino.io *如何找到Lenny：* • 新闻通讯：https://www.lennysnewsletter.com • X：https://twitter.com/lennysan • LinkedIn：https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/ *本期节目涵盖内容：* (00:00) 安德鲁·安布罗西诺介绍 (02:30) AI如何改变产品工作的形态 (06:32) 何时使用文档 vs. 原型 (10:25) “品味”的真正含义 (12:06) 为什么AI在设计方面仍然表现不佳 (16:18) 设计流程真的消亡了吗？ (21:35) Codex团队的设计流程是怎样的 (23:41) 产品职能正在消失吗？ (27:22) 团队结构 (30:12) 个人贡献者 vs. 管理 (31:37) 规划路线图 (35:16) 构建尚未生效的功能 (38:13) 野心问题：当你过于沉迷AGI时 (39:17) 最新前沿：循环与自主开发 (52:05) 安德鲁如何使用Codex自动化整个工作 (46:52) 计算机使用与浏览器自动化的力量 (49:10) 我们会在Codex内运行所有SaaS应用吗？ (52:05) Codex的未来愿景 (57:20) 那位用Codex为Premiere Pro构建扩展的摄像师 (59:30) 失败角落 (1:01:50) 快问快答 (1:07:03) 幕后：我们的制作人如何使用Codex进行编辑 *参考资料：* • Codex：chatgpt.com/codex • 《原始印记：开端如何塑造创意发展的结局》：https://www.gsb.stanford.edu/faculty-research/publications/primal-mark-how-beginning-shapes-end-development-creative-ideas • Linear：https://linear.app • “品味”不仅仅是审美品味：https://x.com/thenanyu/status/2067327619897446721 • Linear打造备受喜爱的B2B产品的秘诀 | 南宇（产品负责人）：https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/linears-secret-to-building-beloved-b2b-products-nan-yu • 保罗·格雷厄姆的网站：https://paulgraham.com • 设计流程已死。这是取而代之的东西。| 珍妮·文（Claude设计负责人）：https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/the-design-process-is-dead • 案例研究工厂：https://essays.uxdesign.cc/case-study-factory • 为什么人类是AI最大的瓶颈（以及2026年将发生什么）| 亚历山大·恩比里科斯（OpenAI Codex产品负责人）：https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/why-humans-are-ais-biggest-bottleneck • OpenClaw：https://openclaw.ai • OpenClaw：构建、训练并与个人AI代理共存的完整指南：https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/openclaw-the-complete-guide-to-building • 从怀疑者到真正信徒：OpenClaw如何改变我的生活 | 克莱尔·沃：https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/how-openclaw-changed-my-life-claire-vo • 在你睡觉时工作的Codex功能：https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/the-codex-feature-that-works-while • AI悖论：更多自动化，更多人类，更多工作 | 丹·希珀：https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/the-ai-paradox-dan-shipper • Atlas：https://chatgpt.com/atlas • Anthropic：https://www.anthropic.com *推荐书籍：* • 《咕噜牛》：https://www.amazon.com/Gruffalo-Julia-Donaldson/dp/0803730470 • 《大橙色斑点》：https://www.amazon.com/Big-Orange-Splot-Manus-Pinkwater/dp/0590445103 _由 https://penname.co/ 制作和营销。_ _如需咨询赞助播客事宜，请发送邮件至 podcast@lennyrachitsky.com。_ Lenny可能是所讨论公司的投资者。

AI编码对工程师的代价

2026/06/250:32

#人工智能 #工程 #编程 #Claude代码

编码不再是瓶颈

2026/06/240:47

Anthropic的工程师每季度交付的代码量是2021-2025年期间的8倍。而且现在不只是工程师了，设计师和产品经理也开始提交代码。更多人参与交付，吞吐量也更高。这使得验证成为新的难题。

Anthropic想要的两类人才

2026/06/240:49

#anthropic #ai #招聘 #人工智能 #claude

应对AI焦虑的解药

2026/06/230:51

#ai #人工智能 #chatgpt #claude

Fiona Fung的Claude现在每天早晨自动读取她的Slack？

2026/06/230:53

编程问题解决之后会发生什么？| 冯芳（Claude Code 和 Cowork）

2026/06/211:38:45

冯芳在 Anthropic 领导 Claude Code 和 Cowork 团队（负责 Boris Cherny 以及整个工程和产品管理团队）。在加入 Anthropic 之前，她在微软工作了 11 年，开发 Visual Studio 和 TypeScript，随后加入 Meta，创办了 Facebook Marketplace（目前年 GMV 超过 1000 亿美元），参与了 Meta 首款智能眼镜和 AR 眼镜的研发，并领导了 Instagram 的基础设施、增长、诚信和安全团队。她拥有超过 25 年的工程师经验，对软件开发角色的变化有着独特的见解。 *在本次深度对话中，我们讨论了：* 1. 她在管理一个代码产出比以前多 8 倍的团队中学到了什么 2. AI 接下来将改变哪些角色 3. 她的团队使用 AI 的具体方式 4. Claude “例程”如何改变了她作为管理者的工作方式 5. 尚未解决的上下文切换问题 6. AI 领域最大的未解问题 7. 什么让她夜不能寐 *本集由以下赞助商提供：* WorkOS — 让您的应用支持企业级功能，包括 SSO、SCIM、RBAC 等：https://workos.com/lenny Mercury — 彻底不同的银行业务，现已推出 Command：https://mercury.com/ *本集文字稿：* https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/building-the-most-ai-pilled-engineering *Lenny 播客所有文字稿存档：* https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/yxi4s2w998p1gvtpu4193/AMdNPR8AOw0lMklwtnC0TrQ?rlkey=j06x0nipoti519e0xgm23zsn9&st=ahz0fj11&dl=0 *如何找到冯芳：* • LinkedIn：linkedin.com/in/fionafung *如何找到 Lenny：* • 新闻通讯：https://www.lennysnewsletter.com • X：https://twitter.com/lennysan • LinkedIn：https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/ *在本集中，我们涵盖：* (00:00) 冯芳介绍 (02:31) 25 年来工程角色的转变 (09:28) 2026 年 AI 驱动的软件团队是什么样子 (12:26) 使用 Claude 管理和审查团队产出 (14:40) 代码审查和验证的演变 (16:55) 招聘谁：创意建设者和深度系统专家 (18:18) 向雄心勃勃思维的转变 (19:40) 在 AI 原生团队中茁壮成长所需的成长心态 (25:52) 帮助小企业采用 AI 工具 (31:46) Anthropic 如何发现潜在需求并为之构建 (35:08) 下一个前沿：使用 AI 例程进行异步工作 (38:06) AI 原生团队中的自主性和问责制 (39:40) 从追求代币数量到衡量 ROI 的氛围转变 (44:24) “坏 vs 悲”质量框架 (49:34) 为什么所有管理者在 Anthropic 都从个人贡献者做起 (55:24) 防止技能萎缩 (58:43) 管理 20 个 AI 代理运行时的上下文切换 (1:00:08) 产品管理和数据科学角色如何转变 (1:03:40) 吃自己的狗粮和使用自己产品的重要性 (1:08:36) 未解决的问题 (1:12:48) 工程工作和教育的未来 (1:17:59) 什么让冯芳夜不能寐：大规模团队文化 (1:22:53) 从六个月路线图到即时月度规划 (1:27:03) 快速问答环节 *参考内容：* • 运行 AI 原生工程组织：https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igO8iyca2_g • Claude Code 负责人：编程问题解决之后会发生什么 | Boris Cherny：https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/head-of-claude-code-what-happens • 今天，Anthropic 工程师每季度平均代码产出是 2021-2025 年的 8 倍：https://x.com/AnthropicAI/status/2062568864240836995 • Visual Studio：https://visualstudio.microsoft.com • Joseph Campbell 的名言：https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/192665-the-cave-you-fear-to-enter-holds-the-treasure-you • 改变生活的 Cowork 使用案例：https://x.com/lennysan/status/2059664455001334124 • 推出 Claude for Small Business：https://www.anthropic.com/news/claude-for-small-business • Conversations with Tyler 播客：https://conversationswithtyler.com • Sheryl Sandberg 在 Facebook 上：https://www.facebook.com/sheryl# • Prime Video 上的《天使爱美丽》：https://www.amazon.com/Amelie-Jean-Pierre-Jeunet/dp/B0DQ4S3N45 • HBO Max 上的《千与千寻》：https://www.hbomax.com/movies/spirited-away/3deab668-d0a4-4a8d-9bc8-0952a0ad836e ...更多参考内容请访问：https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/building-the-most-ai-pilled-engineering *推荐书籍：* • Margaret Atwood 的书籍：https://www.amazon.com/stores/author/B000AQTHI0?ccs_id=0027a474-cd59-4a3a-bcd7-9b173c27d530 • Haruki Murakami 的书籍：https://www.amazon.com/stores/Haruki-Murakami/author/B000AP7AFI • 《小王子》：https://www.amazon.com/Little-Prince-Antoine-Saint-Exup%C3%A9ry/dp/0156012197 • 《风之谷》：https://www.amazon.com/Nausica%C3%A4-Valley-Wind-Box-Set/dp/1421550644 • 《高产出管理》：https://www.amazon.com/High-Output-Management-Andrew-Grove/dp/0679762884 _制作和营销由 https://penname.co/ 提供。_ _如需咨询播客赞助事宜，请发送邮件至 podcast@lennyrachitsky.com。_ Lenny 可能是所讨论公司的投资者。

2026/06/211:38:45

冯芳在 Anthropic 领导 Claude Code 和 Cowork 团队（负责 Boris Cherny 以及整个工程和产品管理团队）。在加入 Anthropic 之前，她在微软工作了 11 年，开发 Visual Studio 和 TypeScript，随后加入 Meta，创办了 Facebook Marketplace（目前年 GMV 超过 1000 亿美元），参与了 Meta 首款智能眼镜和 AR 眼镜的研发，并领导了 Instagram 的基础设施、增长、诚信和安全团队。她拥有超过 25 年的工程师经验，对软件开发角色的变化有着独特的见解。 *在本次深度对话中，我们讨论了：* 1. 她在管理一个代码产出比以前多 8 倍的团队中学到了什么 2. AI 接下来将改变哪些角色 3. 她的团队使用 AI 的具体方式 4. Claude “例程”如何改变了她作为管理者的工作方式 5. 尚未解决的上下文切换问题 6. AI 领域最大的未解问题 7. 什么让她夜不能寐 *本集由以下赞助商提供：* WorkOS — 让您的应用支持企业级功能，包括 SSO、SCIM、RBAC 等：https://workos.com/lenny Mercury — 彻底不同的银行业务，现已推出 Command：https://mercury.com/ *本集文字稿：* https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/building-the-most-ai-pilled-engineering *Lenny 播客所有文字稿存档：* https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/yxi4s2w998p1gvtpu4193/AMdNPR8AOw0lMklwtnC0TrQ?rlkey=j06x0nipoti519e0xgm23zsn9&st=ahz0fj11&dl=0 *如何找到冯芳：* • LinkedIn：linkedin.com/in/fionafung *如何找到 Lenny：* • 新闻通讯：https://www.lennysnewsletter.com • X：https://twitter.com/lennysan • LinkedIn：https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/ *在本集中，我们涵盖：* (00:00) 冯芳介绍 (02:31) 25 年来工程角色的转变 (09:28) 2026 年 AI 驱动的软件团队是什么样子 (12:26) 使用 Claude 管理和审查团队产出 (14:40) 代码审查和验证的演变 (16:55) 招聘谁：创意建设者和深度系统专家 (18:18) 向雄心勃勃思维的转变 (19:40) 在 AI 原生团队中茁壮成长所需的成长心态 (25:52) 帮助小企业采用 AI 工具 (31:46) Anthropic 如何发现潜在需求并为之构建 (35:08) 下一个前沿：使用 AI 例程进行异步工作 (38:06) AI 原生团队中的自主性和问责制 (39:40) 从追求代币数量到衡量 ROI 的氛围转变 (44:24) “坏 vs 悲”质量框架 (49:34) 为什么所有管理者在 Anthropic 都从个人贡献者做起 (55:24) 防止技能萎缩 (58:43) 管理 20 个 AI 代理运行时的上下文切换 (1:00:08) 产品管理和数据科学角色如何转变 (1:03:40) 吃自己的狗粮和使用自己产品的重要性 (1:08:36) 未解决的问题 (1:12:48) 工程工作和教育的未来 (1:17:59) 什么让冯芳夜不能寐：大规模团队文化 (1:22:53) 从六个月路线图到即时月度规划 (1:27:03) 快速问答环节 *参考内容：* • 运行 AI 原生工程组织：https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igO8iyca2_g • Claude Code 负责人：编程问题解决之后会发生什么 | Boris Cherny：https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/head-of-claude-code-what-happens • 今天，Anthropic 工程师每季度平均代码产出是 2021-2025 年的 8 倍：https://x.com/AnthropicAI/status/2062568864240836995 • Visual Studio：https://visualstudio.microsoft.com • Joseph Campbell 的名言：https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/192665-the-cave-you-fear-to-enter-holds-the-treasure-you • 改变生活的 Cowork 使用案例：https://x.com/lennysan/status/2059664455001334124 • 推出 Claude for Small Business：https://www.anthropic.com/news/claude-for-small-business • Conversations with Tyler 播客：https://conversationswithtyler.com • Sheryl Sandberg 在 Facebook 上：https://www.facebook.com/sheryl# • Prime Video 上的《天使爱美丽》：https://www.amazon.com/Amelie-Jean-Pierre-Jeunet/dp/B0DQ4S3N45 • HBO Max 上的《千与千寻》：https://www.hbomax.com/movies/spirited-away/3deab668-d0a4-4a8d-9bc8-0952a0ad836e ...更多参考内容请访问：https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/building-the-most-ai-pilled-engineering *推荐书籍：* • Margaret Atwood 的书籍：https://www.amazon.com/stores/author/B000AQTHI0?ccs_id=0027a474-cd59-4a3a-bcd7-9b173c27d530 • Haruki Murakami 的书籍：https://www.amazon.com/stores/Haruki-Murakami/author/B000AP7AFI • 《小王子》：https://www.amazon.com/Little-Prince-Antoine-Saint-Exup%C3%A9ry/dp/0156012197 • 《风之谷》：https://www.amazon.com/Nausica%C3%A4-Valley-Wind-Box-Set/dp/1421550644 • 《高产出管理》：https://www.amazon.com/High-Output-Management-Andrew-Grove/dp/0679762884 _制作和营销由 https://penname.co/ 提供。_ _如需咨询播客赞助事宜，请发送邮件至 podcast@lennyrachitsky.com。_ Lenny 可能是所讨论公司的投资者。

我们需要一个新的社交应用吗？

2026/06/181:00

#社交媒体 #创始人 #创业 #人工智能

你应该少一点野心

2026/06/171:16

#创始人 #创业 #产品 #野心

创新始于模仿

2026/06/160:54

#创新 #创始人 #创业

成功产品背后的隐藏模式 | Mark Pincus（FarmVille、Words with Friends 等）

2026/06/141:39:23

Mark Pincus 创立了 Zynga——这家公司推出了 Words With Friends、FarmVille 和 Zynga Poker——可以说他创造了历史上比任何人都多的热门消费产品。在 Zynga，10 次重大游戏发布中有 8 次成为爆款，覆盖超过 10 亿玩家。过去五年，Mark 一直在总结他关于打造成功消费产品所学到的一切，并将其写入新书《Life at the Speed of Play》，该书将于 6 月 23 日出版。这是他首次就这本书接受采访。 *在我们深入的对话中，我们讨论了：* 1. 他的“已被证明、更好、新颖”框架：复制已被证明有效的东西，让它变得更好，以至于 10 个人中有 10 个人会说“我绝对会用这个”，然后再加上一些新颖的元素 2. 为什么不那么雄心勃勃才是实现最具雄心创意的路径 3. 他的经验法则：你的直觉在 95% 的情况下是正确的，但你的想法在 75% 的情况下是错误的 4. “在希望杀死你之前先杀死希望” 5. 如何在人工智能时代育儿 *本期节目由以下伙伴赞助：* WorkOS——让你的应用具备企业级能力，支持 SSO、SCIM、RBAC 等：https://workos.com/lenny Vanta——通过 AI 自动化合规、管理风险并加速信任建设：https://vanta.com/lenny *本期播客文字稿：* https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/the-common-pattern-behind-successful *Lenny 播客所有文字稿存档：* https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/yxi4s2w998p1gvtpu4193/AMdNPR8AOw0lMklwtnC0TrQ?rlkey=j06x0nipoti519e0xgm23zsn9&st=ahz0fj11&dl=0 *在哪里找到 Mark Pincus：* • X：https://x.com/markpinc • LinkedIn：https://www.linkedin.com/in/markpincus • 网站：https://www.lifeatthespeedofplay.com *在哪里找到 Lenny：* • 新闻通讯：https://www.lennysnewsletter.com • X：https://twitter.com/lennysan • LinkedIn：https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/ *本期节目涵盖：* (00:00) Mark Pincus 简介 (02:46) 已被证明、更好、新颖框架概述 (07:29) 赢得创新的权利 (08:30) “更好”的真正含义 (12:03) 框架快速总结 (12:40) 框架的实际应用示例 (13:30) 如何在你平台上正确使用“已被证明” (15:13) 复制中的道德套利 (23:55) 少一些雄心 (28:25) Bolt.new 的故事与保持谦逊 (33:15) 在希望杀死你之前先杀死希望 (37:00) 将 AI 当作失败机器 (40:08) Zynga 游戏成功的原因（并非病毒式传播） (48:36) 消费者社交应用的未来 (57:05) 如何判断你的产品是 B+ 级别 (1:01:25) AI 时代的分发策略 (1:15:39) 让每个人都成为 CEO (1:18:18) 贴近本质 (1:21:35) Mark 为什么说微观管理是美丽的 (1:23:35) 专家证人 (1:25:05) CEO 的第一要务是正确的判断 (1:26:35) Mark 正在教他的五个孩子什么 (1:35:14) Mark 的“为什么” (1:37:08) Mark 的新书：《Life at The Speed of Play》 *参考资料：* • Tribe.net：https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribe.net • Zynga：https://www.zynga.com • Sid Meier：https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sid_Meier • Electronic Arts：https://www.ea.com • CityVille：https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CityVille • Words With Friends：https://wordswithfriends.com/ • Scrabble：https://playscrabble.com • Reddit：https://www.reddit.com • TED Radio Hour、MIT Media Lab 创始人、1984 年 TED 演讲：https://www.ted.com/talks/nicholas_negroponte_5_predictions_from_1984 • Peter Thiel 在 LinkedIn 上：https://www.linkedin.com/in/peterthiel • FarmVille：https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FarmVille • Craig Newmark：https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craig_Newmark • 如何持续获得病毒式传播：Nikita Bier 在消费应用领域的成功法则（TBH、Gas 联合创始人、顾问、投资人）：https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/how-to-consistently-go-viral-nikita-bier • Angry Birds：https://www.angrybirds.com/ • OMGPop：https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OMGPop • Draw Something：https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draw_Something • Slack 创始人：打造人们喜爱的产品的思维模型——Stewart Butterfield 专访：https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/slack-founder-stewart-butterfield • Brian Chesky 的新策略：https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/brian-cheskys-contrarian-approach • Garry Tan 在 LinkedIn 上：https://www.linkedin.com/in/garrytan • Brian Armstrong 在 LinkedIn 上：https://www.linkedin.com/in/barmstrong • Jason Citron 在 X 上：https://x.com/jasoncitron • Stanislav Vishnevskiy 在 LinkedIn 上：https://www.linkedin.com/in/svishnevskiy • Jeff Bezos 在 X 上：https://x.com/JeffBezos • Andy Jassy 在 X 上：https://x.com/ajassy • Niantic：https://nianticlabs.com • Pokémon Go：https://pokemongo.com • Bing Gordon 在 LinkedIn 上：https://www.linkedin.com/in/binggordon *推荐书籍：* •《Life at the Speed of Play: Launch Products People Love!》：https://www.amazon.com/Life-Speed-Play-Launch-Products/dp/0063352575/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0 _制作与营销由 https://penname.co/ 负责。_ _如需咨询赞助播客事宜，请发送邮件至 podcast@lennyrachitsky.com。_ Lenny 可能是所讨论公司的投资人。

2026/06/141:39:23

Mark Pincus 创立了 Zynga——这家公司推出了 Words With Friends、FarmVille 和 Zynga Poker——可以说他创造了历史上比任何人都多的热门消费产品。在 Zynga，10 次重大游戏发布中有 8 次成为爆款，覆盖超过 10 亿玩家。过去五年，Mark 一直在总结他关于打造成功消费产品所学到的一切，并将其写入新书《Life at the Speed of Play》，该书将于 6 月 23 日出版。这是他首次就这本书接受采访。 *在我们深入的对话中，我们讨论了：* 1. 他的“已被证明、更好、新颖”框架：复制已被证明有效的东西，让它变得更好，以至于 10 个人中有 10 个人会说“我绝对会用这个”，然后再加上一些新颖的元素 2. 为什么不那么雄心勃勃才是实现最具雄心创意的路径 3. 他的经验法则：你的直觉在 95% 的情况下是正确的，但你的想法在 75% 的情况下是错误的 4. “在希望杀死你之前先杀死希望” 5. 如何在人工智能时代育儿 *本期节目由以下伙伴赞助：* WorkOS——让你的应用具备企业级能力，支持 SSO、SCIM、RBAC 等：https://workos.com/lenny Vanta——通过 AI 自动化合规、管理风险并加速信任建设：https://vanta.com/lenny *本期播客文字稿：* https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/the-common-pattern-behind-successful *Lenny 播客所有文字稿存档：* https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/yxi4s2w998p1gvtpu4193/AMdNPR8AOw0lMklwtnC0TrQ?rlkey=j06x0nipoti519e0xgm23zsn9&st=ahz0fj11&dl=0 *在哪里找到 Mark Pincus：* • X：https://x.com/markpinc • LinkedIn：https://www.linkedin.com/in/markpincus • 网站：https://www.lifeatthespeedofplay.com *在哪里找到 Lenny：* • 新闻通讯：https://www.lennysnewsletter.com • X：https://twitter.com/lennysan • LinkedIn：https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/ *本期节目涵盖：* (00:00) Mark Pincus 简介 (02:46) 已被证明、更好、新颖框架概述 (07:29) 赢得创新的权利 (08:30) “更好”的真正含义 (12:03) 框架快速总结 (12:40) 框架的实际应用示例 (13:30) 如何在你平台上正确使用“已被证明” (15:13) 复制中的道德套利 (23:55) 少一些雄心 (28:25) Bolt.new 的故事与保持谦逊 (33:15) 在希望杀死你之前先杀死希望 (37:00) 将 AI 当作失败机器 (40:08) Zynga 游戏成功的原因（并非病毒式传播） (48:36) 消费者社交应用的未来 (57:05) 如何判断你的产品是 B+ 级别 (1:01:25) AI 时代的分发策略 (1:15:39) 让每个人都成为 CEO (1:18:18) 贴近本质 (1:21:35) Mark 为什么说微观管理是美丽的 (1:23:35) 专家证人 (1:25:05) CEO 的第一要务是正确的判断 (1:26:35) Mark 正在教他的五个孩子什么 (1:35:14) Mark 的“为什么” (1:37:08) Mark 的新书：《Life at The Speed of Play》 *参考资料：* • Tribe.net：https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribe.net • Zynga：https://www.zynga.com • Sid Meier：https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sid_Meier • Electronic Arts：https://www.ea.com • CityVille：https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CityVille • Words With Friends：https://wordswithfriends.com/ • Scrabble：https://playscrabble.com • Reddit：https://www.reddit.com • TED Radio Hour、MIT Media Lab 创始人、1984 年 TED 演讲：https://www.ted.com/talks/nicholas_negroponte_5_predictions_from_1984 • Peter Thiel 在 LinkedIn 上：https://www.linkedin.com/in/peterthiel • FarmVille：https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FarmVille • Craig Newmark：https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craig_Newmark • 如何持续获得病毒式传播：Nikita Bier 在消费应用领域的成功法则（TBH、Gas 联合创始人、顾问、投资人）：https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/how-to-consistently-go-viral-nikita-bier • Angry Birds：https://www.angrybirds.com/ • OMGPop：https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OMGPop • Draw Something：https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draw_Something • Slack 创始人：打造人们喜爱的产品的思维模型——Stewart Butterfield 专访：https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/slack-founder-stewart-butterfield • Brian Chesky 的新策略：https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/brian-cheskys-contrarian-approach • Garry Tan 在 LinkedIn 上：https://www.linkedin.com/in/garrytan • Brian Armstrong 在 LinkedIn 上：https://www.linkedin.com/in/barmstrong • Jason Citron 在 X 上：https://x.com/jasoncitron • Stanislav Vishnevskiy 在 LinkedIn 上：https://www.linkedin.com/in/svishnevskiy • Jeff Bezos 在 X 上：https://x.com/JeffBezos • Andy Jassy 在 X 上：https://x.com/ajassy • Niantic：https://nianticlabs.com • Pokémon Go：https://pokemongo.com • Bing Gordon 在 LinkedIn 上：https://www.linkedin.com/in/binggordon *推荐书籍：* •《Life at the Speed of Play: Launch Products People Love!》：https://www.amazon.com/Life-Speed-Play-Launch-Products/dp/0063352575/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0 _制作与营销由 https://penname.co/ 负责。_ _如需咨询赞助播客事宜，请发送邮件至 podcast@lennyrachitsky.com。_ Lenny 可能是所讨论公司的投资人。

初代iPod并非成功之作

2026/06/110:48

#apple #创始人 #创业

预测下一款大众消费设备

2026/06/101:35

#硬件 #人工智能 #产品

优秀产品会讲故事

2026/06/090:51

#产品 #创业 #产品经理 #ai

托尼·法德尔：如何建立真正的品味（以及为何AI让品味更加重要）

2026/06/071:38:23

托尼·法德尔创造了iPod，联合创造了iPhone，并创立了Nest（以32亿美元出售给谷歌）。他联合拥有超过300项专利，曾是通用魔术传奇团队的一员，并撰写了面向建造者的最重要且鼓舞人心的著作之一《创造》。 *在本次深度对话中，我们探讨了：* 1. 关于iPhone是否应有物理键盘的内部激烈争论 2. 为何基于观点的决策对初代产品至关重要 3. 为何营销与产品本身同等重要，以及iPod险些失败的教训 4. 为何语音最终将成为与AI交互的主要界面 5. 为何对AI的认知投降是当今产品建造者面临的最大风险 *本集由以下赞助商支持：* WorkOS——通过SSO、SCIM、RBAC等功能让您的应用企业就绪：https://workos.com/lenny Vanta——利用AI自动化合规、管理风险并加速信任：https://vanta.com/lenny *节目文字稿：* https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/father-of-the-ipod-and-iphone-on *Lenny播客全部文字稿存档：* https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/yxi4s2w998p1gvtpu4193/AMdNPR8AOw0lMklwtnC0TrQ?rlkey=j06x0nipoti519e0xgm23zsn9&st=ahz0fj11&dl=0 *联系托尼·法德尔：* • X：https://x.com/tfadell • LinkedIn：https://www.linkedin.com/in/tonyfadell • 网站：https://www.buildc.com *联系Lenny：* • 新闻通讯：https://www.lennysnewsletter.com • X：https://twitter.com/lennysan • LinkedIn：https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/ *本期内容时间线：* (00:00) 托尼·法德尔介绍 (02:23) 黑莓与iPhone键盘之争 (07:50) 微观管理vs善意谎言：优秀产品真正需要什么 (15:57) Nest恒温器与烟雾报警器故事 (21:22) 如何判断值得建造什么：痛点加新技术 (27:36) 三代法则：为何首次尝试总不成功 (34:20) 完整客户旅程：为何营销定义你的产品 (40:53) 故事的力量与先写新闻稿的方法 (48:37) 产品管理的演变与建造者角色 (50:27) 为何AI生成代码会制造脆弱、不可维护的产品 (58:00) 叙事技巧 (1:05:45) 下一个iPhone (1:13:15) 硬件回归 (1:17:01) 托尼最兴奋的事 (1:21:38) 与托尼共事 (1:25:36) 伦理、道德与产品建造者的责任 (1:32:40) 如何联系托尼与Build Collective *参考资料：* • 黑莓：https://www.netflix.com/title/81725542 • 功能系统：https://x.com/bhalligan/status/2051873396896518558/photo/1 • Nest：https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Nest • 人人都是工程师：v0创造一亿建造者的使命 | Guillermo Rauch（Vercel创始人兼CEO，v0与Next.js创造者）：https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/everyones-an-engineer-now-guillermo-rauch • Hermann Hauser的LinkedIn：https://www.linkedin.com/in/hermannhauser • Acorn Computers：https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acorn_Computers • 臭鼬工厂项目：https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skunkworks_project • Netscape Navigator：https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netscape_Navigator • 解析亚马逊独特工作方式 | Bill Carr（《逆向工作》作者）：https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/unpacking-amazons-unique-ways-of • 通用魔术：https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6849786 • Dario Amodei网站：https://www.darioamodei.com • Flighty：https://flighty.com • Dave Chappelle：https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Chappelle • Humane Inc.：https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humane_Inc • 《她》：https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1798709 • Spike Jonze：https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spike_Jonze • Waymo：https://waymo.com • Snapchat CEO：为何分销已成为最重要护城河 | Evan Spiegel：https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/snapchat-ceo-why-distribution-is • Simbe Robotics：https://www.simberobotics.com • Greyparrot：https://www.greyparrot.ai • Grok：https://grok.com • Cerebras：https://www.cerebras.ai • 以斯帖记4:14：https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Esther%204%3A14 • iPod发明者与Nest创始人托尼·法德尔被任命为MAD首位驻场设计师：https://mad.mit.edu/news/ipod-inventor-and-nest-founder-tony-fadell-named-mit-morningside-academy-for-design-s-inaugural-designer-in-residence *推荐书籍：* • 《创造：打造值得打造之物的非正统指南》：https://www.amazon.com/dp/0063046067 • 《逆向工作：来自亚马逊内部的洞察、故事与秘密》：https://www.amazon.com/Working-Backwards-Insights-Stories-Secrets/dp/1250275717 _由 https://penname.co/ 制作与推广。_ _如需赞助播客，请发送邮件至 podcast@lennyrachitsky.com。_ Lenny可能投资了讨论中涉及的公司。

2026/06/071:38:23

托尼·法德尔创造了iPod，联合创造了iPhone，并创立了Nest（以32亿美元出售给谷歌）。他联合拥有超过300项专利，曾是通用魔术传奇团队的一员，并撰写了面向建造者的最重要且鼓舞人心的著作之一《创造》。 *在本次深度对话中，我们探讨了：* 1. 关于iPhone是否应有物理键盘的内部激烈争论 2. 为何基于观点的决策对初代产品至关重要 3. 为何营销与产品本身同等重要，以及iPod险些失败的教训 4. 为何语音最终将成为与AI交互的主要界面 5. 为何对AI的认知投降是当今产品建造者面临的最大风险 *本集由以下赞助商支持：* WorkOS——通过SSO、SCIM、RBAC等功能让您的应用企业就绪：https://workos.com/lenny Vanta——利用AI自动化合规、管理风险并加速信任：https://vanta.com/lenny *节目文字稿：* https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/father-of-the-ipod-and-iphone-on *Lenny播客全部文字稿存档：* https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/yxi4s2w998p1gvtpu4193/AMdNPR8AOw0lMklwtnC0TrQ?rlkey=j06x0nipoti519e0xgm23zsn9&st=ahz0fj11&dl=0 *联系托尼·法德尔：* • X：https://x.com/tfadell • LinkedIn：https://www.linkedin.com/in/tonyfadell • 网站：https://www.buildc.com *联系Lenny：* • 新闻通讯：https://www.lennysnewsletter.com • X：https://twitter.com/lennysan • LinkedIn：https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/ *本期内容时间线：* (00:00) 托尼·法德尔介绍 (02:23) 黑莓与iPhone键盘之争 (07:50) 微观管理vs善意谎言：优秀产品真正需要什么 (15:57) Nest恒温器与烟雾报警器故事 (21:22) 如何判断值得建造什么：痛点加新技术 (27:36) 三代法则：为何首次尝试总不成功 (34:20) 完整客户旅程：为何营销定义你的产品 (40:53) 故事的力量与先写新闻稿的方法 (48:37) 产品管理的演变与建造者角色 (50:27) 为何AI生成代码会制造脆弱、不可维护的产品 (58:00) 叙事技巧 (1:05:45) 下一个iPhone (1:13:15) 硬件回归 (1:17:01) 托尼最兴奋的事 (1:21:38) 与托尼共事 (1:25:36) 伦理、道德与产品建造者的责任 (1:32:40) 如何联系托尼与Build Collective *参考资料：* • 黑莓：https://www.netflix.com/title/81725542 • 功能系统：https://x.com/bhalligan/status/2051873396896518558/photo/1 • Nest：https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Nest • 人人都是工程师：v0创造一亿建造者的使命 | Guillermo Rauch（Vercel创始人兼CEO，v0与Next.js创造者）：https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/everyones-an-engineer-now-guillermo-rauch • Hermann Hauser的LinkedIn：https://www.linkedin.com/in/hermannhauser • Acorn Computers：https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acorn_Computers • 臭鼬工厂项目：https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skunkworks_project • Netscape Navigator：https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netscape_Navigator • 解析亚马逊独特工作方式 | Bill Carr（《逆向工作》作者）：https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/unpacking-amazons-unique-ways-of • 通用魔术：https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6849786 • Dario Amodei网站：https://www.darioamodei.com • Flighty：https://flighty.com • Dave Chappelle：https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Chappelle • Humane Inc.：https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humane_Inc • 《她》：https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1798709 • Spike Jonze：https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spike_Jonze • Waymo：https://waymo.com • Snapchat CEO：为何分销已成为最重要护城河 | Evan Spiegel：https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/snapchat-ceo-why-distribution-is • Simbe Robotics：https://www.simberobotics.com • Greyparrot：https://www.greyparrot.ai • Grok：https://grok.com • Cerebras：https://www.cerebras.ai • 以斯帖记4:14：https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Esther%204%3A14 • iPod发明者与Nest创始人托尼·法德尔被任命为MAD首位驻场设计师：https://mad.mit.edu/news/ipod-inventor-and-nest-founder-tony-fadell-named-mit-morningside-academy-for-design-s-inaugural-designer-in-residence *推荐书籍：* • 《创造：打造值得打造之物的非正统指南》：https://www.amazon.com/dp/0063046067 • 《逆向工作：来自亚马逊内部的洞察、故事与秘密》：https://www.amazon.com/Working-Backwards-Insights-Stories-Secrets/dp/1250275717 _由 https://penname.co/ 制作与推广。_ _如需赞助播客，请发送邮件至 podcast@lennyrachitsky.com。_ Lenny可能投资了讨论中涉及的公司。

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The 4 types of tech workers in 2026

Why the tech workforce is quietly splitting in two | Annual AI sentiment survey (Noam Segal)

The head of Instagram on why AI content is a tailwind, not a headwind.

The best product leaders aren't the ones with the most ideas.

Don't worship AI tools

The shape of product teams in 2026

AI content will help Instagram

The rise of taste, human authenticity and judgment in an AI world | Adam Mosseri (Head of IG)

How Codex learnt to edit videos

Why product roles need to stay

Why is AI so bad at design?

Codex App would’ve failed if released in November 2025. Here’s why;

Taste is more than aesthetics

PRDs are not dead

如今重要的是，懂得要构建什么。

OpenAI Codex负责人谈产品工作的新形态安德鲁·安布罗西诺

AI编码对工程师的代价

编码不再是瓶颈

Anthropic想要的两类人才

应对AI焦虑的解药

Fiona Fung的Claude现在每天早晨自动读取她的Slack？

编程问题解决之后会发生什么？| 冯芳（Claude Code 和 Cowork）

我们需要一个新的社交应用吗？

你应该少一点野心

创新始于模仿

成功产品背后的隐藏模式 | Mark Pincus（FarmVille、Words with Friends 等）

初代iPod并非成功之作

预测下一款大众消费设备

优秀产品会讲故事

托尼·法德尔：如何建立真正的品味（以及为何AI让品味更加重要）