Dr. Gio Valiante is one of the world's leading performance psychologists, trusted by elite athletes, investors, executives, and high performers to help them perform at their best when the stakes are highest.
In this conversation, Gio explains why most people never reach their potential, how confidence and fear shape performance, and what separates those who consistently excel from those who stay stuck. He shares practical strategies for building better habits, overcoming self-imposed limits, staying focused under pressure, and creating the conditions for long-term success.
If you've ever felt capable of more, this episode will help you understand what's holding you back and what to do about it.
Chapters:
0:00 Why most people underperform and the central governor hypothesis.
4:46 Why lasting change starts with behavior rather than thinking.
7:52 The difference between mastery motivation and ego-driven motivation.
11:24 Flow states, presence, and learning to enjoy the everyday work of excellence.
14:28 Practical techniques for developing presence and reducing distraction.
18:16 Why environment and systems have a greater impact on performance than goals alone.
26:33 What interview questions reveal about confidence, motivation, and character.
31:47 Why overcoming adversity often reveals a person's greatest strengths.
32:46 Rebuilding confidence by focusing on small wins instead of chasing big recoveries.
38:55 The psychology of confidence and the four sources of self-efficacy.
47:14 How self-talk shapes beliefs, behavior, and long-term performance.
50:04 Why fear of rejection and the need to belong influence our decisions.
53:35 Identity, self-discovery, and the importance of moving beyond childhood conditioning.
1:03:20 Definition of success and the experiences that bring lasting fulfillment.
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1:08:17
Dr. Gio Valiante is one of the world's leading performance psychologists, trusted by elite athletes, investors, executives, and high performers to help them perform at their best when the stakes are highest.
In this conversation, Gio explains why most people never reach their potential, how confidence and fear shape performance, and what separates those who consistently excel from those who stay stuck. He shares practical strategies for building better habits, overcoming self-imposed limits, staying focused under pressure, and creating the conditions for long-term success.
If you've ever felt capable of more, this episode will help you understand what's holding you back and what to do about it.
Chapters:
0:00 Why most people underperform and the central governor hypothesis.
4:46 Why lasting change starts with behavior rather than thinking.
7:52 The difference between mastery motivation and ego-driven motivation.
11:24 Flow states, presence, and learning to enjoy the everyday work of excellence.
14:28 Practical techniques for developing presence and reducing distraction.
18:16 Why environment and systems have a greater impact on performance than goals alone.
26:33 What interview questions reveal about confidence, motivation, and character.
31:47 Why overcoming adversity often reveals a person's greatest strengths.
32:46 Rebuilding confidence by focusing on small wins instead of chasing big recoveries.
38:55 The psychology of confidence and the four sources of self-efficacy.
47:14 How self-talk shapes beliefs, behavior, and long-term performance.
50:04 Why fear of rejection and the need to belong influence our decisions.
53:35 Identity, self-discovery, and the importance of moving beyond childhood conditioning.
1:03:20 Definition of success and the experiences that bring lasting fulfillment.
Follow *Dr. Gio Valiante*
X: https://x.com/GioValiante
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Dr. Giulia Enders on the gut health myth that keeps people eliminating foods they don't need to. Full episode linked above.
*Shane Parrish*
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0:58
Dr. Giulia Enders on the gut health myth that keeps people eliminating foods they don't need to. Full episode linked above.
*Shane Parrish*
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Dr. Giulia Enders on the gut habits most people skip. Full episode linked above.
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0:42
Dr. Giulia Enders on the gut habits most people skip. Full episode linked above.
*Shane Parrish*
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Dr. Giulia Enders on why the best gut health advice isn't a supplement stack — it's an appetite and a bit of knowledge. Full episode linked above.
*Shane Parrish*
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0:33
Dr. Giulia Enders on why the best gut health advice isn't a supplement stack — it's an appetite and a bit of knowledge. Full episode linked above.
*Shane Parrish*
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*The Knowledge Project* is a show featuring in-depth conversations with the top CEOs, investors, and business leaders to uncover the timeless principles that drive success. Learn more at https://fs.blog/podcast
Dr. Giulia Enders has changed the way millions of people think about the human body.
As a physician, microbiome researcher, and bestselling author, she has spent years studying the surprising role the gut plays in everything from digestion and immunity to mood, sleep, metabolism, and long-term health.
In this conversation, Giulia explains why your gut is one of the most influential systems in your body, how stress can quietly damage it, why ultra-processed foods may be creating problems you don't recognize, and what your body is trying to tell you every day.
This episode is packed with practical advice you can use immediately. You'll walk away with a better understanding of how your body works and a clear framework for improving your health without complicated diets, expensive supplements, or extreme interventions.
Chapters:
00:00 How A Thriving Gut Can Unlock Your Health
02:23 Foods to Eat to Improve Gut Health
07:57 The Link Between Your Gut and Immune System
09:28 How to Get Prebiotics in Your Food
10:22 Why Fiber is Key to a Healthy Gut
10:47 How Cooling Starches Can Help You Lose Weight
12:48 Why Fiber Reduces Your Risk of Cancer
14:13 How Sugar Causes Inflammation
15:40 Are Some Sugars Better than Others?
16:25 What Your Poop Is Telling You
17:53 Healthy vs Unhealthy Poop
20:01 How to Rebuild the Gut After Antibiotics
22:08 Warning Signs You Should See a Doctor
23:11 The Best Position for Pooping
26:26 Constipation: Causes & Solutions
28:06 Importance of Chewing
31:07 How Long Does it Take to Heal Your Gut?
34:25 Why Dopamine is Driving Your Bad Cravings
36:40 Three Things to Watch Out for on Ingredients List
36:56 Effect of Alcohol on Gut
37:55 Is Caffeine Bad for Your Gut?
39:56 Impact of Snacking on Gut and Metabolism
41:28 Do Gut Cleanses Work?
43:07 Are Supplements Worth It?
44:59 The Benefits of Walking After a Meal
49:29 The Number One Thing to Change for Better Gut Health
49:51 Why Sanitizer Isn't the Best Approach to Hygiene
Follow *Dr. Giulia Enders*
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Check out Dr. Giulia’s Books:
Gut: The Inside Story of Our Body’s Most Underrated Organ: https://a.co/d/0hqm72mN
Organ Speak: What It Really Means to Listen to Our Bodies: https://a.co/d/07ClmNVu
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54:43
Dr. Giulia Enders has changed the way millions of people think about the human body.
As a physician, microbiome researcher, and bestselling author, she has spent years studying the surprising role the gut plays in everything from digestion and immunity to mood, sleep, metabolism, and long-term health.
In this conversation, Giulia explains why your gut is one of the most influential systems in your body, how stress can quietly damage it, why ultra-processed foods may be creating problems you don't recognize, and what your body is trying to tell you every day.
This episode is packed with practical advice you can use immediately. You'll walk away with a better understanding of how your body works and a clear framework for improving your health without complicated diets, expensive supplements, or extreme interventions.
Chapters:
00:00 How A Thriving Gut Can Unlock Your Health
02:23 Foods to Eat to Improve Gut Health
07:57 The Link Between Your Gut and Immune System
09:28 How to Get Prebiotics in Your Food
10:22 Why Fiber is Key to a Healthy Gut
10:47 How Cooling Starches Can Help You Lose Weight
12:48 Why Fiber Reduces Your Risk of Cancer
14:13 How Sugar Causes Inflammation
15:40 Are Some Sugars Better than Others?
16:25 What Your Poop Is Telling You
17:53 Healthy vs Unhealthy Poop
20:01 How to Rebuild the Gut After Antibiotics
22:08 Warning Signs You Should See a Doctor
23:11 The Best Position for Pooping
26:26 Constipation: Causes & Solutions
28:06 Importance of Chewing
31:07 How Long Does it Take to Heal Your Gut?
34:25 Why Dopamine is Driving Your Bad Cravings
36:40 Three Things to Watch Out for on Ingredients List
36:56 Effect of Alcohol on Gut
37:55 Is Caffeine Bad for Your Gut?
39:56 Impact of Snacking on Gut and Metabolism
41:28 Do Gut Cleanses Work?
43:07 Are Supplements Worth It?
44:59 The Benefits of Walking After a Meal
49:29 The Number One Thing to Change for Better Gut Health
49:51 Why Sanitizer Isn't the Best Approach to Hygiene
Follow *Dr. Giulia Enders*
X: https://x.com/giulia_enders
Check out Dr. Giulia’s Books:
Gut: The Inside Story of Our Body’s Most Underrated Organ: https://a.co/d/0hqm72mN
Organ Speak: What It Really Means to Listen to Our Bodies: https://a.co/d/07ClmNVu
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Bananas contain an enzyme that blocks nutrients from other foods. Combined with blueberries, for example, bananas can block the cognitive benefits you want. Full conversation with Dr. Rhonda Patrick linked above.
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0:56
Bananas contain an enzyme that blocks nutrients from other foods. Combined with blueberries, for example, bananas can block the cognitive benefits you want. Full conversation with Dr. Rhonda Patrick linked above.
*Shane Parrish*
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When you find true signal around an idea, you just know it. Like being in love.
Zynga founder Mark Pincus calls this approach “finding heat.” He bet on social gaming, and soon had 20% of Facebook users playing Farmville. Full conversation linked above.
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0:57
When you find true signal around an idea, you just know it. Like being in love.
Zynga founder Mark Pincus calls this approach “finding heat.” He bet on social gaming, and soon had 20% of Facebook users playing Farmville. Full conversation linked above.
*Shane Parrish*
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*The Knowledge Project* is a show featuring in-depth conversations with the top CEOs, investors, and business leaders to uncover the timeless principles that drive success. Learn more at https://fs.blog/podcast
"I think it is insanely unfair to the companies, the way they're forced to go through this process.”
The IPO process takes from companies and gives to bankers. Bill Gurley pushed for direct listings, but Wall Street chose to build a “controlled oligopoly.” Full conversation with Bill Gurley linked above.
*Shane Parrish*
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1:02
"I think it is insanely unfair to the companies, the way they're forced to go through this process.”
The IPO process takes from companies and gives to bankers. Bill Gurley pushed for direct listings, but Wall Street chose to build a “controlled oligopoly.” Full conversation with Bill Gurley linked above.
*Shane Parrish*
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*The Knowledge Project* is a show featuring in-depth conversations with the top CEOs, investors, and business leaders to uncover the timeless principles that drive success. Learn more at https://fs.blog/podcast
If learning the history of your field sounds tedious, this isn’t the right lane for you. Wanting to know the history signals your passion. New episode of The Knowledge Project linked above.
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1:16
If learning the history of your field sounds tedious, this isn’t the right lane for you. Wanting to know the history signals your passion. New episode of The Knowledge Project linked above.
*Shane Parrish*
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*The Knowledge Project* is a show featuring in-depth conversations with the top CEOs, investors, and business leaders to uncover the timeless principles that drive success. Learn more at https://fs.blog/podcast
Telling a great story is your calling card. Bill Gurley speaks to how writing forces clearer thinking — new episode of The Knowledge Project linked above.
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1:39
Telling a great story is your calling card. Bill Gurley speaks to how writing forces clearer thinking — new episode of The Knowledge Project linked above.
*Shane Parrish*
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*The Knowledge Project* is a show featuring in-depth conversations with the top CEOs, investors, and business leaders to uncover the timeless principles that drive success. Learn more at https://fs.blog/podcast
Bill Gurley spent years on Wall Street, built his career as a partner at Benchmark, worked through Uber’s hypergrowth era, and now serves on the board of the Santa Fe Institute, where he studies complexity and systems thinking.
In this episode, Bill shares the mental models he returns to most, including systems thinking, second- and third-order effects, and the importance of understanding both the bedrock of your field and the bleeding edge.
He explains what separates great founders, why storytelling and product instincts matter, how he uses AI across different models, and what he sees coming in open source, China, stablecoins, tokenization, payments, and venture capital.
Timestamps:
00:00 Key Mental Models
02:02 Investing Journey and Key Players
05:21 Knowing the Bedrock of the Industry
08:50 Obsessive Learning in Founders
10:04 The Silent Edge
11:44 Surprising AI Use
13:13 The Future of AI Models
14:17 Global AI Regulation
18:12 Impacts of AI on Investing
19:53 Are There Limitations on Training AI Models?
23:04 Would You Sit in the Back Seat While Your Tesla Drives?
24:15 Non-Consensus Opinions
24:53 Are We Overfunding this Buildout?
29:40 The Role of Retail Investors and Tokenization
34:26 What is a Stablecoin?
37:58 Competitive Mode: Visa and Mastercard
39:55 AI and Debt Analysis
45:05 The Craft of Storytelling and Writing
48:07 Founder Advantage: Product Instinct
50:12 Real World Lessons from Working With Uber
52:10 Inside Benchmark’s Success
59:42 What is Success for You?
Follow Bill Gurley
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1:01:20
Bill Gurley spent years on Wall Street, built his career as a partner at Benchmark, worked through Uber’s hypergrowth era, and now serves on the board of the Santa Fe Institute, where he studies complexity and systems thinking.
In this episode, Bill shares the mental models he returns to most, including systems thinking, second- and third-order effects, and the importance of understanding both the bedrock of your field and the bleeding edge.
He explains what separates great founders, why storytelling and product instincts matter, how he uses AI across different models, and what he sees coming in open source, China, stablecoins, tokenization, payments, and venture capital.
Timestamps:
00:00 Key Mental Models
02:02 Investing Journey and Key Players
05:21 Knowing the Bedrock of the Industry
08:50 Obsessive Learning in Founders
10:04 The Silent Edge
11:44 Surprising AI Use
13:13 The Future of AI Models
14:17 Global AI Regulation
18:12 Impacts of AI on Investing
19:53 Are There Limitations on Training AI Models?
23:04 Would You Sit in the Back Seat While Your Tesla Drives?
24:15 Non-Consensus Opinions
24:53 Are We Overfunding this Buildout?
29:40 The Role of Retail Investors and Tokenization
34:26 What is a Stablecoin?
37:58 Competitive Mode: Visa and Mastercard
39:55 AI and Debt Analysis
45:05 The Craft of Storytelling and Writing
48:07 Founder Advantage: Product Instinct
50:12 Real World Lessons from Working With Uber
52:10 Inside Benchmark’s Success
59:42 What is Success for You?
Follow Bill Gurley
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/billgurley/
X: https://x.com/bgurley?lang=en
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*The Knowledge Project* is a show featuring in-depth conversations with the top CEOs, investors, and business leaders to uncover the timeless principles that drive success. Learn more at https://fs.blog/podcast
Doing what’s best means not caring whether your decision will make you more popular.
Good CEOs take feedback into consideration, but know they have the final say. Zynga founder Mark Pincus calls this decision-making style a democratic dictatorship — and explains what that looks like in practice on the latest episode of The Knowledge Project. Full conversation is linked above.
*Shane Parrish*
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X: https://x.com/ShaneParrish
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Books: https://fs.blog/books/
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*The Knowledge Project* is a show featuring in-depth conversations with the top CEOs, investors, and business leaders to uncover the timeless principles that drive success. Learn more at https://fs.blog/podcast
0:49
Doing what’s best means not caring whether your decision will make you more popular.
Good CEOs take feedback into consideration, but know they have the final say. Zynga founder Mark Pincus calls this decision-making style a democratic dictatorship — and explains what that looks like in practice on the latest episode of The Knowledge Project. Full conversation is linked above.
*Shane Parrish*
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/farnamstreet/
X: https://x.com/ShaneParrish
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/shane-parrish-050a2183/
Books: https://fs.blog/books/
Website: https://fs.blog/
Newsletter: http://fs.blog/newsletter
*The Knowledge Project* is a show featuring in-depth conversations with the top CEOs, investors, and business leaders to uncover the timeless principles that drive success. Learn more at https://fs.blog/podcast
You’ve failed when you’re executing someone else’s version of your goal. For the full conversation with Mark Pincus, check the linked video.
*Shane Parrish*
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/farnamstreet/
X: https://x.com/ShaneParrish
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/shane-parrish-050a2183/
Books: https://fs.blog/books/
Website: https://fs.blog/
Newsletter: http://fs.blog/newsletter
*The Knowledge Project* is a show featuring in-depth conversations with the top CEOs, investors, and business leaders to uncover the timeless principles that drive success. Learn more at https://fs.blog/podcast
0:49
You’ve failed when you’re executing someone else’s version of your goal. For the full conversation with Mark Pincus, check the linked video.
*Shane Parrish*
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/farnamstreet/
X: https://x.com/ShaneParrish
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/shane-parrish-050a2183/
Books: https://fs.blog/books/
Website: https://fs.blog/
Newsletter: http://fs.blog/newsletter
*The Knowledge Project* is a show featuring in-depth conversations with the top CEOs, investors, and business leaders to uncover the timeless principles that drive success. Learn more at https://fs.blog/podcast
As a founder, you owe it to yourself to bet on your instinct —and to lose because of yourself.
Zynga founder Mark Pincus talks about the importance of betting on yourself on the latest episode of The Knowledge Project — check the linked video.
*Shane Parrish*
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/farnamstreet/
X: https://x.com/ShaneParrish
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/shane-parrish-050a2183/
Books: https://fs.blog/books/
Website: https://fs.blog/
Newsletter: http://fs.blog/newsletter
*The Knowledge Project* is a show featuring in-depth conversations with the top CEOs, investors, and business leaders to uncover the timeless principles that drive success. Learn more at https://fs.blog/podcast
0:56
As a founder, you owe it to yourself to bet on your instinct —and to lose because of yourself.
Zynga founder Mark Pincus talks about the importance of betting on yourself on the latest episode of The Knowledge Project — check the linked video.
*Shane Parrish*
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/farnamstreet/
X: https://x.com/ShaneParrish
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/shane-parrish-050a2183/
Books: https://fs.blog/books/
Website: https://fs.blog/
Newsletter: http://fs.blog/newsletter
*The Knowledge Project* is a show featuring in-depth conversations with the top CEOs, investors, and business leaders to uncover the timeless principles that drive success. Learn more at https://fs.blog/podcast
Mark Pincus created FarmVille and Words With Friends, built Zynga into a multi-billion dollar company, and experienced both spectacular success and painful failure along the way.
In this conversation, he reveals the lessons that came from nearly missing the biggest opportunities of his career, rebuilding after setbacks, and learning how to spot winning ideas before everyone else.
You'll learn why most founders build the wrong thing, how great products tap into deep human needs, what separates products people try from products they use every day, and why your instincts are often right even when your execution fails.
Mark also shares the frameworks he used to build Zynga, navigate Facebook's rapidly changing platform, make high-stakes decisions under pressure, and avoid the compromises that quietly destroy companies.
Timestamps:
00:00 The Principles of Great Products
01:34 How to Test if Your Idea Has "Heat"
04:02 Falling Out with His Father
06:14 Early Career Fails
09:27 The Presentation that Kicked him out of Bain
12:04 The Book of Life System for Making Strategic Decisions
17:56 Why Your Instincts are Good and Your Ideas are Bad
22:29 Copying is the Key to Great Product Design
23:22 System for Building Great Products
24:05 How to Use "Proven Better New" to Build Ideas
27:39 Why Deconstruction Leads to Better Products
29:33 All Founders Go Through This
35:14 How Zynga Changed Social Gaming
37:25 Pitching Zynga to Steve Jobs
40:36 The Fatal Mistake Founders Make
41:24 The Fight Between Peter Thiel and Sequoia
43:03 The Explosion of Farmville
45:45 Zynga's Near-Death Experience on Facebook
48:36 Why Failure Machines Reveal Your Best Ideas
49:28 The Thing that Almost Killed Words with Friends
53:05 Why the Minimum Viable Product Approach is Hurting You
54:03 Building Fast is More Important than Building Right
56:19 How Zynga Missed Their Instagram Moment
58:50 Your Company Should Be a Democratic Dictatorship
1:02:25 How to Build a Meritocracy in Your Company
1:03:44 Jeff Bezos' Invaluable Management Trick
1:05:25 Bezos Hack: Scaling Leadership with Tech Assistants
Follow Mark Pincus
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/markpincus/
X: https://x.com/markpinc
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*Shane Parrish*
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/farnamstreet/
X: https://x.com/ShaneParrish
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/shane-parrish-050a2183/
Books: https://fs.blog/books/
Website: https://fs.blog/
Newsletter: http://fs.blog/newsletter
*The Knowledge Project* is a show featuring in-depth conversations with the top CEOs, investors, and business leaders to uncover the timeless principles that drive success. Learn more at https://fs.blog/podcast
1:09:29
Mark Pincus created FarmVille and Words With Friends, built Zynga into a multi-billion dollar company, and experienced both spectacular success and painful failure along the way.
In this conversation, he reveals the lessons that came from nearly missing the biggest opportunities of his career, rebuilding after setbacks, and learning how to spot winning ideas before everyone else.
You'll learn why most founders build the wrong thing, how great products tap into deep human needs, what separates products people try from products they use every day, and why your instincts are often right even when your execution fails.
Mark also shares the frameworks he used to build Zynga, navigate Facebook's rapidly changing platform, make high-stakes decisions under pressure, and avoid the compromises that quietly destroy companies.
Timestamps:
00:00 The Principles of Great Products
01:34 How to Test if Your Idea Has "Heat"
04:02 Falling Out with His Father
06:14 Early Career Fails
09:27 The Presentation that Kicked him out of Bain
12:04 The Book of Life System for Making Strategic Decisions
17:56 Why Your Instincts are Good and Your Ideas are Bad
22:29 Copying is the Key to Great Product Design
23:22 System for Building Great Products
24:05 How to Use "Proven Better New" to Build Ideas
27:39 Why Deconstruction Leads to Better Products
29:33 All Founders Go Through This
35:14 How Zynga Changed Social Gaming
37:25 Pitching Zynga to Steve Jobs
40:36 The Fatal Mistake Founders Make
41:24 The Fight Between Peter Thiel and Sequoia
43:03 The Explosion of Farmville
45:45 Zynga's Near-Death Experience on Facebook
48:36 Why Failure Machines Reveal Your Best Ideas
49:28 The Thing that Almost Killed Words with Friends
53:05 Why the Minimum Viable Product Approach is Hurting You
54:03 Building Fast is More Important than Building Right
56:19 How Zynga Missed Their Instagram Moment
58:50 Your Company Should Be a Democratic Dictatorship
1:02:25 How to Build a Meritocracy in Your Company
1:03:44 Jeff Bezos' Invaluable Management Trick
1:05:25 Bezos Hack: Scaling Leadership with Tech Assistants
Follow Mark Pincus
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/markpincus/
X: https://x.com/markpinc
+Pre-order Life at the Speed of Play: Launch Products People Love! here: https://amzn.to/4vkcgNR
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*Shane Parrish*
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X: https://x.com/ShaneParrish
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/shane-parrish-050a2183/
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*The Knowledge Project* is a show featuring in-depth conversations with the top CEOs, investors, and business leaders to uncover the timeless principles that drive success. Learn more at https://fs.blog/podcast
AI models evolved to tell us what we want to hear. OpenAI stopped that.
AI is meant to empower people, it’s not meant to appease us. Check out the linked video for our full conversation with OpenAI co-founder and president Greg Brockman.
*Shane Parrish*
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/farnamstreet/
X: https://x.com/ShaneParrish
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/shane-parrish-050a2183/
Books: https://fs.blog/books/
Website: https://fs.blog/
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*The Knowledge Project* is a show featuring in-depth conversations with the top CEOs, investors, and business leaders to uncover the timeless principles that drive success. Learn more at https://fs.blog/podcast
0:50
AI models evolved to tell us what we want to hear. OpenAI stopped that.
AI is meant to empower people, it’s not meant to appease us. Check out the linked video for our full conversation with OpenAI co-founder and president Greg Brockman.
*Shane Parrish*
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/farnamstreet/
X: https://x.com/ShaneParrish
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/shane-parrish-050a2183/
Books: https://fs.blog/books/
Website: https://fs.blog/
Newsletter: http://fs.blog/newsletter
*The Knowledge Project* is a show featuring in-depth conversations with the top CEOs, investors, and business leaders to uncover the timeless principles that drive success. Learn more at https://fs.blog/podcast
He got bad grades in high school. Now he runs an $11 billion company.
Harvey CEO Winston Weinberg says that's exactly why he knows what to look for in a hire.
This is the one you send to your team — full episode is linked.
*Shane Parrish*
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*The Knowledge Project* is a show featuring in-depth conversations with the top CEOs, investors, and business leaders to uncover the timeless principles that drive success. Learn more at https://fs.blog/podcast
1:00
He got bad grades in high school. Now he runs an $11 billion company.
Harvey CEO Winston Weinberg says that's exactly why he knows what to look for in a hire.
This is the one you send to your team — full episode is linked.
*Shane Parrish*
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/farnamstreet/
X: https://x.com/ShaneParrish
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/shane-parrish-050a2183/
Books: https://fs.blog/books/
Website: https://fs.blog/
Newsletter: http://fs.blog/newsletter
*The Knowledge Project* is a show featuring in-depth conversations with the top CEOs, investors, and business leaders to uncover the timeless principles that drive success. Learn more at https://fs.blog/podcast
Most founders think great sales can save a bad product. Harvey CEO Winston Weinberg learned the hard way that it can't.
In this clip, he shares the three lessons that shaped how he runs one of the fastest-growing AI companies in the world — including the vision-setting mistake he says he still needs to work on.
Watch the linked video for the full conversation.
*Shane Parrish*
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X: https://x.com/ShaneParrish
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/shane-parrish-050a2183/
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Website: https://fs.blog/
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*The Knowledge Project* is a show featuring in-depth conversations with the top CEOs, investors, and business leaders to uncover the timeless principles that drive success. Learn more at https://fs.blog/podcast
1:11
Most founders think great sales can save a bad product. Harvey CEO Winston Weinberg learned the hard way that it can't.
In this clip, he shares the three lessons that shaped how he runs one of the fastest-growing AI companies in the world — including the vision-setting mistake he says he still needs to work on.
Watch the linked video for the full conversation.
*Shane Parrish*
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/farnamstreet/
X: https://x.com/ShaneParrish
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/shane-parrish-050a2183/
Books: https://fs.blog/books/
Website: https://fs.blog/
Newsletter: http://fs.blog/newsletter
*The Knowledge Project* is a show featuring in-depth conversations with the top CEOs, investors, and business leaders to uncover the timeless principles that drive success. Learn more at https://fs.blog/podcast
Sometimes the hardest thing to say no to is the thing everyone else thinks you should do.
Harvey CEO Winston Weinberg says real progress often means ignoring outside pressure and doing the harder thing that fixes the problem long term.
Check out the linked video for the full conversation.
*Shane Parrish*
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/farnamstreet/
X: https://x.com/ShaneParrish
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/shane-parrish-050a2183/
Books: https://fs.blog/books/
Website: https://fs.blog/
Newsletter: http://fs.blog/newsletter
*The Knowledge Project* is a show featuring in-depth conversations with the top CEOs, investors, and business leaders to uncover the timeless principles that drive success. Learn more at https://fs.blog/podcast
0:44
Sometimes the hardest thing to say no to is the thing everyone else thinks you should do.
Harvey CEO Winston Weinberg says real progress often means ignoring outside pressure and doing the harder thing that fixes the problem long term.
Check out the linked video for the full conversation.
*Shane Parrish*
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/farnamstreet/
X: https://x.com/ShaneParrish
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/shane-parrish-050a2183/
Books: https://fs.blog/books/
Website: https://fs.blog/
Newsletter: http://fs.blog/newsletter
*The Knowledge Project* is a show featuring in-depth conversations with the top CEOs, investors, and business leaders to uncover the timeless principles that drive success. Learn more at https://fs.blog/podcast
“You have to fail constantly in order to succeed at the bigger things.”
Harvey CEO Winston Weinberg says building a company means making a lot of bets, absorbing the failures, and staying in the game long enough for one to pay off.
Build that tolerance early, before the stakes get bigger.
Check out the linked video for the full conversation with Winston on resilience, decision-making, and building a company that will shape the future of the legal field.
*Shane Parrish*
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/farnamstreet/
X: https://x.com/ShaneParrish
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/shane-parrish-050a2183/
Books: https://fs.blog/books/
Website: https://fs.blog/
Newsletter: http://fs.blog/newsletter
*The Knowledge Project* is a show featuring in-depth conversations with the top CEOs, investors, and business leaders to uncover the timeless principles that drive success. Learn more at https://fs.blog/podcast
0:51
“You have to fail constantly in order to succeed at the bigger things.”
Harvey CEO Winston Weinberg says building a company means making a lot of bets, absorbing the failures, and staying in the game long enough for one to pay off.
Build that tolerance early, before the stakes get bigger.
Check out the linked video for the full conversation with Winston on resilience, decision-making, and building a company that will shape the future of the legal field.
*Shane Parrish*
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/farnamstreet/
X: https://x.com/ShaneParrish
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/shane-parrish-050a2183/
Books: https://fs.blog/books/
Website: https://fs.blog/
Newsletter: http://fs.blog/newsletter
*The Knowledge Project* is a show featuring in-depth conversations with the top CEOs, investors, and business leaders to uncover the timeless principles that drive success. Learn more at https://fs.blog/podcast
The key to running an $11B company? Decide faster.
Harvey CEO Winston Weinberg explains how treating decisions as two-way doors, making stress work for you, and constant reprioritization shape the way he runs the company.
Check out the linked video for the full conversation on The Knowledge Project.
*Shane Parrish*
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/farnamstreet/
X: https://x.com/ShaneParrish
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/shane-parrish-050a2183/
Books: https://fs.blog/books/
Website: https://fs.blog/
Newsletter: http://fs.blog/newsletter
*The Knowledge Project* is a show featuring in-depth conversations with the top CEOs, investors, and business leaders to uncover the timeless principles that drive success. Learn more at https://fs.blog/podcast
0:36
The key to running an $11B company? Decide faster.
Harvey CEO Winston Weinberg explains how treating decisions as two-way doors, making stress work for you, and constant reprioritization shape the way he runs the company.
Check out the linked video for the full conversation on The Knowledge Project.
*Shane Parrish*
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/farnamstreet/
X: https://x.com/ShaneParrish
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/shane-parrish-050a2183/
Books: https://fs.blog/books/
Website: https://fs.blog/
Newsletter: http://fs.blog/newsletter
*The Knowledge Project* is a show featuring in-depth conversations with the top CEOs, investors, and business leaders to uncover the timeless principles that drive success. Learn more at https://fs.blog/podcast
Winston Weinberg is the CEO and co-founder of Harvey, the AI platform built for the legal industry.
In this episode, Winston explains how AI is reshaping legal work, why judgment becomes more valuable as routine work gets automated, and how to build the prioritization muscle required to move faster, stay focused, and make better decisions when everything is changing.
He also shares the operating principles behind Harvey’s growth: make decisions faster, treat most choices as two-way doors, use stress to build resilience, prioritize the one thing that matters most and the Google Doc that drives it all.
Harvey began with a simple test: take real legal questions, run them through GPT-3, and ask experienced lawyers whether they would send the answers with zero edits. On 86 out of 100 questions, three out of three attorneys said yes.
This is a conversation about AI, law, speed, resilience, and building in a world where the bar keeps getting higher.
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Timestamps:
00:00:00 “The List” that Powers Winston’s $11B Business
00:02:20 How to Say “No” Like a CEO
00:07:26 The 3 Principles for Strong Decision-Making
00:08:18 How Harvey is Changing the Legal World
00:11:36 One Cold Email to Sam Altman that Changed Everything
00:12:56 The Demo Strategy that Shocked Investors
00:17:55 Advice Winston Didn't Take
00:19:34 The Deal that Almost Killed Harvey
00:21:56 How to Build Resilience to Failure
00:24:00 How Winston Hacks His Stress
00:29:36 The Key to Creating a Sense of Urgency on Your Team
00:31:29 The Kinds of People Not to Hire at Startups
00:35:09 How to Screen for Resiliency in Interviews
00:41:49 Winston's Advice for Law Students
00:45:28 Would AI Make a Better Lawyer than a Human?
00:48:54 The Future of Agent-Powered Law Firms
00:49:14 Will AI Cause Law Firms to Shrink?
00:52:45 Can AI-Only Law Firms Exist?
00:54:52 Why Legal Costs Aren't Going Down
00:56:48 Three Principles All Entrepreneurs Need to Follow
01:00:54 How Winston Defines Success
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*Winston Weinberg*
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/winston-weinberg/
Harvey: https://www.harvey.ai/blog/author/winston-weinberg
*Shane Parrish*
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/farnamstreet/
X: https://x.com/ShaneParrish
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/shane-parrish-050a2183/
Books: https://fs.blog/books/
Website: https://fs.blog/
Newsletter: http://fs.blog/newsletter
*The Knowledge Project* is a show featuring in-depth conversations with the top CEOs, investors, and business leaders to uncover the timeless principles that drive success. Learn more at https://fs.blog/podcast
1:02:54
Winston Weinberg is the CEO and co-founder of Harvey, the AI platform built for the legal industry.
In this episode, Winston explains how AI is reshaping legal work, why judgment becomes more valuable as routine work gets automated, and how to build the prioritization muscle required to move faster, stay focused, and make better decisions when everything is changing.
He also shares the operating principles behind Harvey’s growth: make decisions faster, treat most choices as two-way doors, use stress to build resilience, prioritize the one thing that matters most and the Google Doc that drives it all.
Harvey began with a simple test: take real legal questions, run them through GPT-3, and ask experienced lawyers whether they would send the answers with zero edits. On 86 out of 100 questions, three out of three attorneys said yes.
This is a conversation about AI, law, speed, resilience, and building in a world where the bar keeps getting higher.
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Timestamps:
00:00:00 “The List” that Powers Winston’s $11B Business
00:02:20 How to Say “No” Like a CEO
00:07:26 The 3 Principles for Strong Decision-Making
00:08:18 How Harvey is Changing the Legal World
00:11:36 One Cold Email to Sam Altman that Changed Everything
00:12:56 The Demo Strategy that Shocked Investors
00:17:55 Advice Winston Didn't Take
00:19:34 The Deal that Almost Killed Harvey
00:21:56 How to Build Resilience to Failure
00:24:00 How Winston Hacks His Stress
00:29:36 The Key to Creating a Sense of Urgency on Your Team
00:31:29 The Kinds of People Not to Hire at Startups
00:35:09 How to Screen for Resiliency in Interviews
00:41:49 Winston's Advice for Law Students
00:45:28 Would AI Make a Better Lawyer than a Human?
00:48:54 The Future of Agent-Powered Law Firms
00:49:14 Will AI Cause Law Firms to Shrink?
00:52:45 Can AI-Only Law Firms Exist?
00:54:52 Why Legal Costs Aren't Going Down
00:56:48 Three Principles All Entrepreneurs Need to Follow
01:00:54 How Winston Defines Success
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Thank you to the sponsors for this episode:
+CoinShares: Delivering Reason to Digital Asset Investing. https://coinshares.com/
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Check out the Granola Notes here: https://notes.granola.ai/t/3e4d88b7-b73d-47ee-8805-c5c2f013edee-009c2hma
+HeyGen is a message-first AI video platform that helps people and AI agents turn ideas into professional video in minutes. Try for free at https://www.heygen.com/
+LMNT: My go-to zero sugar electrolytes — get a free LMNT Sample Pack here: DrinkLMNT.com/TKP
*Winston Weinberg*
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/winston-weinberg/
Harvey: https://www.harvey.ai/blog/author/winston-weinberg
*Shane Parrish*
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/farnamstreet/
X: https://x.com/ShaneParrish
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/shane-parrish-050a2183/
Books: https://fs.blog/books/
Website: https://fs.blog/
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*The Knowledge Project* is a show featuring in-depth conversations with the top CEOs, investors, and business leaders to uncover the timeless principles that drive success. Learn more at https://fs.blog/podcast
Who actually benefits from AI?
OpenAI co-founder Greg Brockman says that should be the central question of AI regulation.
As the technology reshapes jobs, institutions, and career paths, the goal should be making sure people feel the upside in their daily lives.
Hear Greg’s full take on how AI can reshape work, opportunity, and everyday life on The Knowledge Project.
*Shane Parrish*
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X: https://x.com/ShaneParrish
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/shane-parrish-050a2183/
Books: https://fs.blog/books/
Website: https://fs.blog/
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*The Knowledge Project* is a show featuring in-depth conversations with the top CEOs, investors, and business leaders to uncover the timeless principles that drive success. Learn more at https://fs.blog/podcast
0:59
Who actually benefits from AI?
OpenAI co-founder Greg Brockman says that should be the central question of AI regulation.
As the technology reshapes jobs, institutions, and career paths, the goal should be making sure people feel the upside in their daily lives.
Hear Greg’s full take on how AI can reshape work, opportunity, and everyday life on The Knowledge Project.
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Greg Brockman is the co-founder of OpenAI. This is the most detailed first-person account he has given of the 72 hours after Sam Altman was fired, how OpenAI started, and the future.
Greg explains how the original Napa offsite produced the three-step technical plan OpenAI has followed for more than a decade and the real reason OpenAI had to abandon its pure nonprofit structure.
He then gives the most detailed account ever of what happened in the hours after the Sam Altman firing, why he and nearly every OpenAI employee quit, and how his relationship with Ilya Sutskever changed.
After that we look to the future of ChatGPT and the race to AGI. We talk about how they are using AI at OpenAI, why ChatGPT stopped showing reasoning traces, how to decide who gets compute, and of course Anthropic/Claude.
Then we get to the question on everyone's mind: What is going to happen to your job?
Timestamps:
00:00:00 Introduction
00:00:49 Meeting Sam Altman and Starting OpenAI
00:02:40 Building the Founding Team
00:04:25 DeepMind's Lead Over OpenAI
00:04:54 The Change from a Pure Non-Profit
00:06:05 Breakthrough Moments at OpenAI
00:08:22 What Dota 2 Meant for OpenAI
00:10:04 Reasoning Versus Prediction
00:11:59 Tensions Grow at OpenAI
00:15:44 Sam Altman's Firing
00:17:49 Greg Quits OpenAI
00:19:56 Sam Explores Deal with Microsoft's Satya
00:20:28 OpenAI Employees Sign Petition for Altman's Return
00:23:43 Ilya Sutskever Leaves OpenAI
00:24:59 Lessons Learned in Leadership after Sam Ousting
00:28:22 The Thing Ilya Said that Greg Can't Forget
00:32:22 Is AI Going Parabolic?
00:33:24 How Much of OpenAI's Code is Written by AI?
00:36:21 Are AI Chatbots Just Telling Us What We Want to Hear?
00:38:06 The Global AI Race to Reach AGI
00:38:40 What Happens if US Doesn't Reach AGI First?
00:39:49 Are Competing Countries Stealing AI Advancements from U.S?
00:40:38 Why ChatGPT No Longer Shows Reasoning
00:41:47 The Finite Constraints of Compute
00:43:38 On Investing Early in Data Centers
00:46:31 The Future of Data Center Specialization
00:47:52 How OpenAI Will Decide Whose Queries to Serve
00:49:08 OpenAI on Consumer vs Enterprise Models
00:53:05 Data Centers in Space?
01:00:56 What Should AI Regulation Look Like?
01:04:33 The Future of AI-Powered Entrepreneurship
01:04:44 AI and Job Loss
01:07:15 The Skills Young People Should Invest In
01:11:30 What Does Success Look Like For You?
Episode page and full show notes: https://fs.blog/knowledge-project-podcast/greg-brockman/
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*Greg Brockman*
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/thegdb/
Blog: https://blog.gregbrockman.com/
*Shane Parrish*
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X: https://x.com/ShaneParrish
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*The Knowledge Project* is a show featuring in-depth conversations with the top CEOs, investors, and business leaders to uncover the timeless principles that drive success. Learn more at https://fs.blog/podcast
#ai #technology
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Greg Brockman is the co-founder of OpenAI. This is the most detailed first-person account he has given of the 72 hours after Sam Altman was fired, how OpenAI started, and the future.
Greg explains how the original Napa offsite produced the three-step technical plan OpenAI has followed for more than a decade and the real reason OpenAI had to abandon its pure nonprofit structure.
He then gives the most detailed account ever of what happened in the hours after the Sam Altman firing, why he and nearly every OpenAI employee quit, and how his relationship with Ilya Sutskever changed.
After that we look to the future of ChatGPT and the race to AGI. We talk about how they are using AI at OpenAI, why ChatGPT stopped showing reasoning traces, how to decide who gets compute, and of course Anthropic/Claude.
Then we get to the question on everyone's mind: What is going to happen to your job?
Timestamps:
00:00:00 Introduction
00:00:49 Meeting Sam Altman and Starting OpenAI
00:02:40 Building the Founding Team
00:04:25 DeepMind's Lead Over OpenAI
00:04:54 The Change from a Pure Non-Profit
00:06:05 Breakthrough Moments at OpenAI
00:08:22 What Dota 2 Meant for OpenAI
00:10:04 Reasoning Versus Prediction
00:11:59 Tensions Grow at OpenAI
00:15:44 Sam Altman's Firing
00:17:49 Greg Quits OpenAI
00:19:56 Sam Explores Deal with Microsoft's Satya
00:20:28 OpenAI Employees Sign Petition for Altman's Return
00:23:43 Ilya Sutskever Leaves OpenAI
00:24:59 Lessons Learned in Leadership after Sam Ousting
00:28:22 The Thing Ilya Said that Greg Can't Forget
00:32:22 Is AI Going Parabolic?
00:33:24 How Much of OpenAI's Code is Written by AI?
00:36:21 Are AI Chatbots Just Telling Us What We Want to Hear?
00:38:06 The Global AI Race to Reach AGI
00:38:40 What Happens if US Doesn't Reach AGI First?
00:39:49 Are Competing Countries Stealing AI Advancements from U.S?
00:40:38 Why ChatGPT No Longer Shows Reasoning
00:41:47 The Finite Constraints of Compute
00:43:38 On Investing Early in Data Centers
00:46:31 The Future of Data Center Specialization
00:47:52 How OpenAI Will Decide Whose Queries to Serve
00:49:08 OpenAI on Consumer vs Enterprise Models
00:53:05 Data Centers in Space?
01:00:56 What Should AI Regulation Look Like?
01:04:33 The Future of AI-Powered Entrepreneurship
01:04:44 AI and Job Loss
01:07:15 The Skills Young People Should Invest In
01:11:30 What Does Success Look Like For You?
Episode page and full show notes: https://fs.blog/knowledge-project-podcast/greg-brockman/
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+CoinShares: Delivering Reason to Digital Asset Investing. https://coinshares.com/
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Check out the Granola Notes.: https://notes.granola.ai/t/2c35c84f-6eb4-497a-8419-294d92141721-009c2hma
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*Greg Brockman*
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/thegdb/
Blog: https://blog.gregbrockman.com/
*Shane Parrish*
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/farnamstreet/
X: https://x.com/ShaneParrish
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/shane-parrish-050a2183/
Books: https://fs.blog/books/
Website: https://fs.blog/
Newsletter: http://fs.blog/newsletter
*The Knowledge Project* is a show featuring in-depth conversations with the top CEOs, investors, and business leaders to uncover the timeless principles that drive success. Learn more at https://fs.blog/podcast
#ai #technology
Mario Harik is the best CEO's you've never heard of. He learned by working with a living legend, and now he's using everything he's learned at his 40,000-employee company.
Mario is the CEO of XPO, one of the world's largest trucking and logistics companies, with a market cap north of $25B. He joined as employee No. 3 and spent years as Brad Jacobs’ right-hand before taking over as CEO.
In this conversation, Mario shares the test Brad Jacobs taught him for spotting an A player in minutes, how to interview someone and actually determine if they're good, and the one habit that stalls most careers.
He walks through how he makes faster, better, decisions, what he does before and during meetings that makes them more effective, and how a rival’s collapse became one of the most important bets of his career.
Enjoy!
00:00:00 Introduction
00:00:19 How an engineering mindset improves leadership
00:01:58 Using engineering frameworks to execute as CEO
00:03:38 Why perfection is the enemy of effective management
00:05:14 The Brad Jacobs lesson on thinking bigger
00:07:13 The feedback loops that build strong teams
00:08:18 Three qualities to test for in every hire
00:12:50 The service-first strategy behind leading 40,000 people
00:16:21 Running a multi-billion-dollar company on real-time data
00:22:35 Using AI to catch mistakes before the customer does
00:28:35 Coaching through data instead of criticism
00:32:36 The prep work that makes meetings actually work
00:39:48 Going four clicks deep in an interview
00:47:30 What growing up in a war zone taught him about perspective
00:49:27 How an engineer calculates risk
00:50:56 The anatomy of a billion-dollar bet: The Yellow Acquisition
00:55:31 Turning strategy into execution with financial tracking
00:59:23 How to accurately identify A, B, and C players
01:02:12 Why belief is an underrated performance driver
01:04:18 How to give feedback that lands
01:07:33 The only three levers that create all the value
Follow Mario Harik:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marioharik/
XPO: https://investors.xpo.com/board-member/mario-harik/
Related Episode with Brad Jacobs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-FlqVzbj0s
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*Shane Parrish*
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*The Knowledge Project* uncovers the timeless principles that lead to success. Learn more at https://fs.blog/podcast
#leadership #decisionmaking #businessstrategy
1:38:16
Mario Harik is the best CEO's you've never heard of. He learned by working with a living legend, and now he's using everything he's learned at his 40,000-employee company.
Mario is the CEO of XPO, one of the world's largest trucking and logistics companies, with a market cap north of $25B. He joined as employee No. 3 and spent years as Brad Jacobs’ right-hand before taking over as CEO.
In this conversation, Mario shares the test Brad Jacobs taught him for spotting an A player in minutes, how to interview someone and actually determine if they're good, and the one habit that stalls most careers.
He walks through how he makes faster, better, decisions, what he does before and during meetings that makes them more effective, and how a rival’s collapse became one of the most important bets of his career.
Enjoy!
00:00:00 Introduction
00:00:19 How an engineering mindset improves leadership
00:01:58 Using engineering frameworks to execute as CEO
00:03:38 Why perfection is the enemy of effective management
00:05:14 The Brad Jacobs lesson on thinking bigger
00:07:13 The feedback loops that build strong teams
00:08:18 Three qualities to test for in every hire
00:12:50 The service-first strategy behind leading 40,000 people
00:16:21 Running a multi-billion-dollar company on real-time data
00:22:35 Using AI to catch mistakes before the customer does
00:28:35 Coaching through data instead of criticism
00:32:36 The prep work that makes meetings actually work
00:39:48 Going four clicks deep in an interview
00:47:30 What growing up in a war zone taught him about perspective
00:49:27 How an engineer calculates risk
00:50:56 The anatomy of a billion-dollar bet: The Yellow Acquisition
00:55:31 Turning strategy into execution with financial tracking
00:59:23 How to accurately identify A, B, and C players
01:02:12 Why belief is an underrated performance driver
01:04:18 How to give feedback that lands
01:07:33 The only three levers that create all the value
Follow Mario Harik:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marioharik/
XPO: https://investors.xpo.com/board-member/mario-harik/
Related Episode with Brad Jacobs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-FlqVzbj0s
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Thank you to the sponsors for this episode:
+Granola AI, The AI notepad for people in back-to-back meetings: https://www.granola.ai/shane
Check out the Granola Notes: https://notes.granola.ai/t/87940e66-e34b-400c-beec-7169bf62f9ed-009c2hma
+CoinShares: Delivering Reason to Digital Asset Investing. https://coinshares.com/
*Shane Parrish*
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/farnamstreet/
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LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/shane-parrish-050a2183/
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Website: https://fs.blog/
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*The Knowledge Project* uncovers the timeless principles that lead to success. Learn more at https://fs.blog/podcast
#leadership #decisionmaking #businessstrategy
*Shane Parrish*
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/farnamstreet/
X: https://x.com/ShaneParrish
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/shane-parrish-050a2183/
Books: https://fs.blog/books/
Website: https://fs.blog/
Newsletter: http://fs.blog/newsletter
*The Knowledge Project* is a show featuring in-depth conversations with the top CEOs, investors, and business leaders to uncover the timeless principles that drive success. Learn more at https://fs.blog/podcast
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*Shane Parrish*
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/farnamstreet/
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LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/shane-parrish-050a2183/
Books: https://fs.blog/books/
Website: https://fs.blog/
Newsletter: http://fs.blog/newsletter
*The Knowledge Project* is a show featuring in-depth conversations with the top CEOs, investors, and business leaders to uncover the timeless principles that drive success. Learn more at https://fs.blog/podcast
*Shane Parrish*
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/farnamstreet/
X: https://x.com/ShaneParrish
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/shane-parrish-050a2183/
Books: https://fs.blog/books/
Website: https://fs.blog/
Newsletter: http://fs.blog/newsletter
*The Knowledge Project* is a show featuring in-depth conversations with the top CEOs, investors, and business leaders to uncover the timeless principles that drive success. Learn more at https://fs.blog/podcast
1:06
*Shane Parrish*
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/farnamstreet/
X: https://x.com/ShaneParrish
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/shane-parrish-050a2183/
Books: https://fs.blog/books/
Website: https://fs.blog/
Newsletter: http://fs.blog/newsletter
*The Knowledge Project* is a show featuring in-depth conversations with the top CEOs, investors, and business leaders to uncover the timeless principles that drive success. Learn more at https://fs.blog/podcast
*Shane Parrish*
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/farnamstreet/
X: https://x.com/ShaneParrish
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/shane-parrish-050a2183/
Books: https://fs.blog/books/
Website: https://fs.blog/
Newsletter: http://fs.blog/newsletter
*The Knowledge Project* is a show featuring in-depth conversations with the top CEOs, investors, and business leaders to uncover the timeless principles that drive success. Learn more at https://fs.blog/podcast
1:00
*Shane Parrish*
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/farnamstreet/
X: https://x.com/ShaneParrish
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/shane-parrish-050a2183/
Books: https://fs.blog/books/
Website: https://fs.blog/
Newsletter: http://fs.blog/newsletter
*The Knowledge Project* is a show featuring in-depth conversations with the top CEOs, investors, and business leaders to uncover the timeless principles that drive success. Learn more at https://fs.blog/podcast
